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Old 03-16-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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There has never been a communist country, probably never will be one.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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There has never been a communist country, probably never will be one.
First you leftists are trying to soften the harsh reality that SOCIALISM really is.

And, now with your short post proclamation, you are trying to do exactly the same denying COMMUNISM for what it is.

Too much SEMANTICS for the same desire for CONTROL!

No Sale.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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For those who deny the existence of communism, I suggest you go to NK and tell them that to their face.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:47 PM
 
Location: PSL
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No, I'm seeking an answer to WHY we can afford unnecessary wars of choice with nary a peep from the war mongers who would have us cringe in fear at the mere thought of doing something like give a Band-Aid to an American, their cries of SOCIALISM! would be head echoing from sea to shining sea. I'm seeking an answer to WHY we had people tell us it was a noble thing to spend American blood & $$$ bringing democracy to Iraq, something we don't enjoy at home, yet many of the very same people happily say we just can't afford to fix our own infrastructure.

And despite your essay length post I still have NO answer to my questions.
LOL you are so naive it's cute. Sad. But cute. Let's see if I can explain some of these things for you.

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No, I'm seeking an answer to WHY we can afford unnecessary wars of choice
When you have military personnel advising politicians and seeking their approval that's how you get Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hearts and minds? Grab the enemy by the balls their hearts and minds will follow.
But that's not nice... can't be rough and tough and brutal like we were in WW2... no no. We need to be softer. Fair even. With an ideology that is nihilistic and wants total and complete utter destruction of the west.


We stay because politicians think it's best to have the war over there, and not here... last I checked, neither nation had a navy capable of transporting anything to this nation. However... because of Namby pamby limp wristed rules of engagement and concern for nonsensical things, simultaneously contracting with development firms to field the latest and greatest to ensure the lethality and effectiveness of troops...
Viola. You have perpetual war. Especially when Insurgent forces from around the world were down for getting their jihad on.
Oh didn't know about that?
Ask some Marines who kicked down doors and cleared mud huts who they found and where they were from... think Blackwater is bad? Better remain consistent and condemn Johnny jihad wanting to get some infidel action.

Add in the fact, the Insurgent forces were doing hood rat things with their friends via asymmetrical warfare vs a military that was trained to fight conventional militaries...
Another facet for perpetual warfare.

There's a reason Afghanistan is the reigning Champs of get off my lawn... they don't abide by Geneva convetions. They don't abide by any rule of engagement.
Again. Nihilistic combatants + limp wristed politicians + wanting the public to believe their troops are fielding the latest and greatest gear to win the war + no loyalty or respect from those on the ground that are sympathetic to the jihadi cause or face assassination by religious zealots...

Never mind the kick backs the politicians get...

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us cringe in fear at the mere thought of doing something like give a Band-Aid to an American, their cries of SOCIALISM would be head echoing from sea to shining sea
Except it's not a bandaid you want to give away on tax payer dollars. You want it all funded by .gov as if you morons haven't caught on by now .gov only adds expense to its tax payers! It does not operate within a budget nor for profit.

Be honest, it isn't a band aid, It's everything under the sun. Your health problems are yours, mine are mine. I'll pay for mine. You pay for yours. Easy peasy. Oh no cant have that. We must have ACA the word affordable is in it!

Thank ACA for "out of network" and being modeled after car insurance with a deductible that must be met first and foremost. I never once had an issue with health coverage or payments until that nonsense was passed. Lemmings and gibsmedats have yourselves to blame for allowing that BS to pass.

Oh... fun fact. Politicians aren't subject to ACA. Those animals are more equal than others. Look at McCain with his brain tumor. Any other veteran would have rotted in the VA.
Any other person his age would face the "pre-existing conditions" spiel.
Oh never mind the fact they get a kick back from the pharmaceutical companies in either bribes I mean, campaign donations, or investments.

Your problem is with them. Not me.


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I'm seeking an answer to WHY we had people tell us it was a noble thing to spend American blood & $$$ bringing democracy to Iraq, something we don't enjoy at home, yet many of the very same people happily say we just can't afford to fix our own infrastructure
Are you ready? This one's gonna hurt.
The answer is never in the form of the government.
Want infrastructure done? I lived in NY. Home of corruption and wasteful spending via enrichening those that knew the politicians there, aka the good old boy network. I've seen corruption first hand and not a damn thing was done about it.

You want infrastructure repaired? Tell you what. You have private entities bid for the job and .gov to relax on their asinine burdenous regulations. Our infrastructure that is crumbling is from a time where there wasn't a quarter the red tape that exists.

It would be in your benefit to go hang out with real conservatives or libertarians or AnCaps. Once you get to see the HOW you'll be disgusted.
There's many reasons I don't live in that chit hole NY any more. It had nothing to do with the weather I promise.
NY is the shining example of what happens when your state's populous is comprised of altruistic lemmings voting for corrupt business as usual turds in cheap suits. Imagine what the federal level looks like




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And, IF you're so upset about people thinking they should be entitled to anything considering the taxes they pay I guess you'll be happy to share with us your letters to your representatives requesting you be billed every time you use a facility/service (roads, sewers, air traffic control, et al) that's funded by the federal government, right?
Roads? I don't need roads. Have chainsaws and a lift. I'll make my own if needed.
Sewers? Easy. I can install a septic system. Septics arent hard to build or maintain. Neither are wells.
Air traffic control? I don't fly.
Keep going.

Federal government needs me I mean, my money. It needs you and yours. I don't need it
Social Security? I'd take back every penny I ever paid into that ponzi scheme and I'd be set for life. I can invest my money far better than .gov can without worrying of Congress "borrowing" it.

I've never been on any public assistance federal or state level.

Keep voting for democrats that want to expand .gov at your cost.
Same goes to fellow republicans. Keep voting for neocons and rinos.

Remember. .gov doesn't have to operate at or for a profit. It can and will impose new, and raise current taxes on we the people. It does not exist to operate on a budget neither. We are .govs personal piggy bank.

How about. Instead of praying at the alter of D.C. and looking for your feelings to be satisified... you spend some time and revisit everything you were taught via college and public highschool and pay attention to the money...

If you think our system is messed up...
ROFL wait until you see what socialism and communism bring.

Think class warfare is bad now? Ohhhhhhhh you haven't seen anything until communism and socialism take place...
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:55 PM
 
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Sure, well its academic. People yearning for communism killed more than 100M people. So even the urge or inclination towards it is lethal.....and that's why we're gonna have to wipe them all out this time.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:05 PM
 
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Communism does exist. Just look at China.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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Communism does exist. Just look at China.
China is not communist. If you really believe that it is, you don't understand what communism actually is.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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China is not communist. If you really believe that it is, you don't understand what communism actually is.
I lived in a commune.

We were probably as close to communist as you can get - somewhat like the Israeli kibbutz.
Or that was the idea anyway.

I think a lot of smaller societies the world over are communist or semi-communist. One could probably say that many (most?) tribal societies meet this test....all young men sleeping the lodge house, etc.

All these "isms" have the same problem in that they forget about the basic foundation of their creed - PEOPLE. Look at capitalism. It could care less about the individual and about the neighborhood, town, county, state and country....except as a consumer of goods and services.

Although I agree communism has never been tried, I'd also say that it wouldn't work if it was. Basic human nature (or primate nature) argues against it.

While the "collective" holds great importance, that is only one part of the system.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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I lived in a commune.

We were probably as close to communist as you can get - somewhat like the Israeli kibbutz.
Or that was the idea anyway.

I think a lot of smaller societies the world over are communist or semi-communist. One could probably say that many (most?) tribal societies meet this test....all young men sleeping the lodge house, etc.

All these "isms" have the same problem in that they forget about the basic foundation of their creed - PEOPLE. Look at capitalism. It could care less about the individual and about the neighborhood, town, county, state and country....except as a consumer of goods and services.

Although I agree communism has never been tried, I'd also say that it wouldn't work if it was. Basic human nature (or primate nature) argues against it.

While the "collective" holds great importance, that is only one part of the system.
I agree, it would not work. It just irritates me that so many people think that the USSR, China, Cuba and Korea are/were communist. They were not even close to being communist.
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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I agree, it would not work. It just irritates me that so many people think that the USSR, China, Cuba and Korea are/were communist. They were not even close to being communist.
Holy crap! This passes for reality today?

You were LIED to!
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