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View Poll Results: Are you for ending Social Security and Medicare?
Yes 29 13.94%
No 179 86.06%
Don’t know 0 0%
Voters: 208. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Medicare reimbursement covers cost, else no practice would accept Medicare patients. Yet the majority do.
And many don't. Case closed.
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Old 03-18-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It won't, and that's what U.S. socialists need to understand. You don't contribute = you don't get benefits. Otherwise it's just the enslavement of some to artificially financially support non-contributors.

It's a big reason why European countries have a 20%-25% VAT tax that EVERYONE pays. EVERYONE contributes.
Have you considered running for Congress instead of posting your vision on an anonymous Internet forum? Then all you need to do is persuade the other 434 House Reps, 100 Senators and POTUS.
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Old 03-18-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Have you considered running for Congress instead of posting your vision on an anonymous Internet forum? Then all you need to do is persuade the other 434 House Reps, 100 Senators and POTUS.
Won't work. Too many people want free stuff paid for by others.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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Would you support ending Social Security and Medicare

No.

I do support radically transforming both.

But I have tired of the inevitable hysterics whenever someone mentions it, so meh.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And many don't. Case closed.
Hardly.

64 million +/- will be enrolled in Tradirional Medicare or Medicare Advantage, this year.

Those enrolled in Traditiinal Medicare are responsible for a 20% co-pay that may be paid by a Medicare Supplimental Plan or out of pocket by the patient at the point of service.

Traditional Medicare physician reimbursement is about 80% less than what private non HMO insurance plans reimburse.

Medical practices can accept Traditional Medicare assignment, cap the number of patients or operate on a Non- Participatory basis, meaning they can charge more than the Medicare reimbursement rate- known as excess charges. Some Medicare Supplimental Plans also cover “ excess charges”.

The Non- Participatory practice may expect the patient to pay the full bill out of pocket at the point of service. Some practices will however submit your claim to Medicare and if applicable, your Supplimental Plan or expect the patient to handle it themselves.

Some practices may be willing to negotiate fees and may agree to a reduced fee that typically is greater than the reimbursement rate paid by any insurer.

Insurance premiums are what they are in the US because healthcare costs what it does in the US. Those who advocate for a free market health care system ( no successful model exists anywhere) seem to think the market ( individuals) will force healthcare providers to lower fees.

Yet, when the federal government, with its enormous purchasing power, does so, within the Traditiinal Medicare model, it’s bad news.

Cannot imagine the “ what if” of 325 million people playing “ Let’s Make a Deal” with every healthcare provider.

Wonder how many of the best and brightest would choose a more lucrative career instead of 4 years of medical school and a multi year low compensated residency, necessary to practice medicine.

Then there are the folk who want to eliminate all licensing and let it rip.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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I have been forced to pay into both programs my entire career against my will. If I would have invested the money that was confiscated forcibly from me, I would be much better off, so yes, I'd prefer they not exist. I do agree with a safety net for the poor, but not forced participation for those that are productive.
Exactly how I feel.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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Hardly.
Sorry, no. For those seniors in locations that have a high percentage of those age 65+, declining to pay an annual thousands of dollars per person "concierge fee" to a medical practice means they can't access health care.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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And how would you propose we fund that safety net

We already have a "safety net". In fact we have generational WELFARE that has only succeeded in creating dependency, and abuse of the system.


I would propose a voluntary contribution to a fund to act as a safety net. Since, half the population are Liberal/Progressive Democrats I'm sure they'd all contribute plenty. Or do you just want to use other people's money and not your own?
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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We already have a "safety net". In fact we have generational WELFARE that has only succeeded in creating dependency, and abuse of the system.


I would propose a voluntary contribution to a fund to act as a safety net. Since, half the population are Liberal/Progressive Democrats I'm sure they'd all contribute plenty. Or do you just want to use other people's money and not your own?
I agree 100% and have suggested the same.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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I would propose a voluntary contribution to a fund to act as a safety net. Since, half the population are Liberal/Progressive Democrats I'm sure they'd all contribute plenty. Or do you just want to use other people's money and not your own?
Which is pretty much my plan. Just allow people to opt out, and structure it like a garden variety severance package. You get your bag of money (dollar for dollar match for what was taken from you via the FICA and Mediwelfare taxes), and in return, you forfeit every future claim, gripe, etc. Like how severance packages always include the "and by taking this deal, you agree that your position being eliminated was perfectly reasonable and that you will never seek legal action against us" condition, same thing here.

By agreeing to receive your bag of previously stolen money, you agree that you waive all future rights of grievance pertaining to these entitlements, now and forever. Make it that binary and that permanent. Either you're all the way in, or you are in fact, all the way out....forever.

I am OK with putting the individual to that level of finality where their individuality is concerned.
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