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View Poll Results: Is it morally acceptable to you to force other people to pay for your bills?
Yes, I love it! 16 16.84%
No, it morally repugnant. 77 81.05%
I don’t like it but it’s nice someone pays for my bulls 1 1.05%
I don’t know. 1 1.05%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-17-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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Free market, not government.
"Free market" and "insurance pools" are two opposing poles. They even repel each other.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Welcome to life in a nation state OP. If you don't like taxation then go buy yourself an island and make your own damn rules and build your own damn infrastructure. Crying about it on C-D won't do jack sh&t.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Armed robbery should never be acceptable and that is how everything the state does is paid for.
Yep, but the trick is, to make people believe its in their best interest for govt to do this!! Sort of a reverse robin hood!
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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For certain things like healthcare, you can't even pay your own bills if you wanted to; that's why we have health insurance, where you contribute a bit every month so that you can be covered by the pool of participant funds if you get sick.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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Welcome to life in a nation state OP. If you don't like taxation then go buy yourself an island and make your own damn rules and build your own damn infrastructure. Crying about it on C-D won't do jack sh&t.
Was just about to say this. Nobody is forcing the OP to live in America. If you morally object to being an American, then you are a hypocrite if you don't leave.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Armed robbery should never be acceptable and that is how everything the state does is paid for.
Then why don't Republican candidates for Congress run on abolishing all government welfare? Aren't they being stolen from the same anybody else?
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Armed robbery should never be acceptable and that is how everything the state does is paid for.
It is not theft if you receive something in return. The government provides protection and a commitment to justice. We also receive education, transportation, safe food, employment protection and enforcement of contracts to name a few.

Being a citizen comes with rights and responsibilities. You have a right to protection and certain services but also a responsibility to pay taxes (even if you don't like it). You have a right to vote but a responsibility to accept the result even if your utopian ideal of a minimal state isn't a reality.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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For certain things like healthcare, you can't even pay your own bills if you wanted to; that's why we have health insurance, where you contribute a bit every month so that you can be covered by the pool of participant funds if you get sick.
Don't even try to explain anything related to math or probability theory to these people lol.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Is it moral to invade and occupy other countries?

Is it moral to kill over a million people in the Middle East in the name of "freedom" and to fight "terrorism"?
the initiation of violence is immoral whether its regime change, spreading democracy or robbing people to fund redistribution schemes.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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It is not theft if you receive something in return. The government provides protection and a commitment to justice. We also receive education, transportation, safe food, employment protection and enforcement of contracts to name a few.

Being a citizen comes with rights and responsibilities. You have a right to protection and certain services but also a responsibility to pay taxes (even if you don't like it). You have a right to vote but a responsibility to accept the result even if your utopian ideal of a minimal state isn't a reality.
We also have the DUTY to stand up and remove a govt from power when and if it becomes necessary, it is up to us, (the citizens), to recognize when this needs to happen too. Refusal to do so, even if its because action would be 'too inconvenient' or 'too risky (legally)' is treasonous.



"Freedom is not free, it requires the blood of patriots from time to time", "the tree of liberty must refreshed from time to time".
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