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Old 03-21-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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You are assuming that because he is barely keeping his head above the water that he must be blowing his money on pointless stuff. From my perspective he is managing his money extremely well, its just that the cost of living has gone up by wages have been stagnant.



Sorry to be mean but you are a nobody. A few million dollars in today's economy is nothing, not when your are competing with people whose net worth is 60 billion or 80 billion. Essentially you have no real economic or political power, no influence, nothing. All you have is enough to be content, and you are content because someone who was richer and smarter then you told you that you should be content. Like a little puppy dog you listened and obeyed. Sorry old man but you have been brainwashed your whole life.
Grumpy has enough wealth to throw it in the faces of people who don't have it, and will never have such security and who worry about things like health care and housing and wondering if they can afford to have even one kid. So yes, it's a big deal.
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Grumpy has enough wealth to throw it in the faces of people who don't have it, and will never have such security and who worry about things like health care and housing and wondering if they can afford to have even one kid. So yes, it's a big deal.
Those in his position act as the vanguard to the ultra wealthy. They have more money then most of the people surrounding them, thus they often have a sense of self superiority. They want to keep the system as is because to them they think they have prospered from it. What many of them fail to grasp is that there is class of wealth that exists far beyond them. Its those in the billionaire class which ultimately gain the most from the system not the petty millionaires like old grumpy. To the billionaire class the men like old grumpy are the useful idiots they need to help hold this corrupt system in place.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If pure Capitalism worked so well, Democratic Socialism wouldn't be the topic it is today.

Of course, the young people from the lower classes are being left behind. GOP policies defunding education, denial of science, promotion of ignorance and fake news, and lack of just plain common sense and decency have made this a very difficult world in which to live and advance.

We should have capitalism with a conscience. Instead, we have capitalism where it is winner take all and the consequences be damned. Thus the shrinking middle class, obscene wealth of the upper class, and despair and hopelessness of those who, by accident of birth, have no fair chance.

Nine years ago I attended an AAII conference in Florida, geared mainly to retired investors. The head of none other than Standard & Poor's at the time, Sam Stovall, gave the keynote speech - entitled - wait for it:
"Capitalism Is Destroying Labor"
My then 42 y/o son attended with me and remembers that speech to this day. This is why Trump was elected - capitalism taking its jobs offshore, the result of which entire towns and social structures were destroyed and the lives in it.

An EXCELLENT video - clearly articulating how totally destructive capitalism without a conscience can be:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?458552...enated-america

THIS is why Trump was elected and THIS is why - hopefully - the country will finally DO THE RIGHT THING and begin to consider and wisely implement the benefits and values of Democratic Socialism.

I am 77 y/o and would not want to be young today.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Gee, could that be because in that time, people could actually work their way through college, come out with a degree and no debt? Could it be that that was a time where Mom could stay home and raise the children while Dad earned a decent living to pay for it all? Could it be that during that time, wages aligned with the cost of living? The cost of everyday basics needed to survive has steadily risen over the past 50 years while wages remain stagnant. Unless you're a CEO of course. Only in America does the CEO rake in 238x their worker.


GREED is what is destroying this country, not laziness or lack of hardship.

In those days, not everyone had a car, a phone or even a radio. It was the norm to have three generations live under one roof. A vacation was a day you didn't have to go to work-- it had nothing to do with travel.


Food, rent, fuel and clothes are all relatively LESS expensive today compared to the average wage than they were 50 and more yrs ago.


It's today's spoiled Millennials who are greedy, demanding material goods without working for them.


We can argue about whether or not today's CEOs are worth their salaries, but the fact remains, they didn't get rich at the expense of the poor. They got rich because they had something to sell that others were WILLING to pay for.


"Income Disparity" is just a meaningless slogan used by the manipulators to achieve their self-serving agenda.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You don't know many millennials, do you?


Certainly not the case with me or most of the other people in my age cohort who identify as socialist. I've been on my own since I was 18 and was even helping support my parents from afar before my cancer diagnosis. I went through stage IV cancer alone. Every major life milestone has been done by my own hand.


And that's why I'm liberal. I recognize that I'm of above average intelligence, had above average luck, and was blessed with the foresight of planning. Had any one of those elements not been in place, my experience with life threatening illness would have been far worse - and as it was, I flirted with homelessness. How can people in the United State of America fear homelessness because of illness? How can so many of us be just a paycheck away from losing everything? And all of this happening while our wealthiest citizens get wealthier? Yes, many of them worked hard to get where they were, but there are plenty of people who work far harder that due to luck of birth, health, intelligence, or simple circumstance will always struggle. Those people are no less deserving of healthcare, education, and security in the richest country in the world than the wealthy.
Can't rep you enough for this post.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What makes someone deserving of some good or service that others have to provide?
Because they are human beings. That's why.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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We can argue about whether or not today's CEOs are worth their salaries, but the fact remains, they didn't get rich at the expense of the poor. They got rich because they had something to sell that others were WILLING to pay for.

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Many got rich because of purchasing politicians to create trade with slave labor countries.
The moment they got in bed with politicians to rig the markets in their favor they threw their capitalist card out the window and became Communists. It was also at the expense to the working class in this country since it depressed their wages.

I have nothing against free trade but only when it is workers and business in this country competing with workers and business in other countries.

What happened was a bunch of sell outs moved operations to slave labor countries to sell back to us with the workers in this country left to pay for it.

The majority of trinkets coming from China to the US are not sold by Chinese Companies, they are made in China by slave labor sold by American Companies so the top elite can make bank.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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No, they didn't. They took power via revolution and were proud of it. They never claimed to be democratic.

You should study up on issues before opening thread about them.
Lol, they wee a faction of the social democrats, the Bolsheviks actually were formed when the party split. The official name of the Bolsheviks was "Russian Social Democratic Labor Party"
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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You are assuming that because he is barely keeping his head above the water that he must be blowing his money on pointless stuff. From my perspective he is managing his money extremely well, its just that the cost of living has gone up by wages have been stagnant.
Sorry to be mean but you are a nobody. A few million dollars in today's economy is nothing, not when your are competing with people whose net worth is 60 billion or 80 billion. Essentially you have no real economic or political power, no influence, nothing. All you have is enough to be content, and you are content because someone who was richer and smarter then you told you that you should be content. Like a little puppy dog you listened and obeyed. Sorry old man but you have been brainwashed your whole life.
No need to apologize, you don't sound mean, just not well informed, perhaps that is why your cousin is broke?

So please tell me, since when are you or anybody else competing with people whose net worth is 60 or 80 billion? What a ridiculous premise, just like all of your other excuses for being a failure.

You thinking that one needs 60+ billion dollars to be considered a success shows just how misinformed you are. (Notice how I kindly use the term misinformed, rather than ignorant? I's because I still love you and feel sorry for you..!)

I know people like you, those that would rather sit on their collective dead a$$'s and collect welfare rather than start at the bottom, put in some hard work and sacrifice and make something of themselves. It's easier to make excuses, "I can never be a billionaire so I'm not going to try". That way of thinking makes one a loser.
By the way, Forbes says there are 2000 billionaires in the world, and with a total of 8 billion people on the planet, that sure make a lot of people losers in your book, just because they don't have 60 billion.!. Only the top eight richest people in the world have assets that exceed 60 billion, so your competing with only a few people, why aren't you a success?

Your cousin has no clue on how to manage his money, and it appears lack of common sense may possibly run in the family. People are reading your posts, so your best bet is to put your hands in your pocket and keep them off of the keyboard unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

Keep the faith... life is good....
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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So why aren't they currently dismantling the programs now they are in charge?

George W Bush tried it and the MEDIA cried like little babies as did the Democrats. "THEY" are not in charge. The Democrats (Communists) control the House. The Establishment Republicans know better to even breath because the Media (Democrat Communists) will cry and lie.
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