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Old 03-22-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Clarence, NY- New Haven, CT
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I believe in Climate Change, Global Warming, Global Cooling or whatever they are calling it today. It is a natural cycle that the planet has gone through since the beginning but the thing is I don't believe the alarmists like Al Gore that had to readjust his predictions to keep the Fear rolling along. I don't agree with the dire hype and none of us should buy into how politicized the global warming idea has become.



I agree with you OP that the Climate alarmists should practice what they preach by reducing their personal carbon footprints.
I don't think Al Gore could get rid of that jet. He couldn't give up the jet set mentality if he tried. "Joking" aside, your sentiment sums it up perfectly as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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Why don't the AGW believers save themselves...
Because there's no escaping a crapsack world. We have the one biosphere. Also, it is possible to actually care for someone not yourself. I know it may feel like a weird thought.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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AGW believers are very similar to the Seventh-Day Adventists that were convinced that the rapture was coming, but unlike the warming alarmists they tended to keep to themselves. They weren't out proselytizing, trying to get the whole world to come with them. I don't really take issue with anybody believing in things, but they shouldn't be able to change public policy or dictate how other people should live their lives.

Why don't the AGW believers save themselves like the rest of the end-of-the world cults do? Practice what you preach. Move to the mountains to avoid the flood. Let the rest of us non-believers drown. We'll be alright.
Really, what drives people like you in not believing global warming is true? Are you simply afraid you'll end up having to pay higher taxes and put up with prohibitive regulations? Instead, you would rather society pay for damages that global warming brings about as it happens, which may not even happen in the first place, if global warming is a myth.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Really, what drives people like you in not believing global warming is true?
We believe the dissident scientists because their argument makes wayyyy more sense. But that isn't what this thread is supposed to be about.

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Are you simply afraid you'll end up having to pay higher taxes and put up with prohibitive regulations?
Prohibitive regulations, taxing, ect should not be imposed on those of us who don't believe that the world is ending. You are free to believe in AGW, but you can't force other people to change their lifestyle. Run and save yourselves, but leave everyone else alone. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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We believe the dissident scientists because their argument makes wayyyy more sense. But that isn't what this thread is supposed to be about.
No, you believe them not because they are correct, but because it's what you want to believe.

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Prohibitive regulations, taxing, ect should not be imposed on those of us who don't believe that the world is ending. You are free to believe in AGW, but you can't force other people to change their lifestyle. Run and save yourselves, but leave everyone else alone. That's all I'm saying.
Who said that the world is ending? So what you are saying is that if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay for bridges, tunnels and highways? Too bad, that is not the way our society works.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:32 PM
 
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I see that you are unable to provide a reliable source to back up your claims that climate scientists are in it for the money.
lol, its hilarious. Theyed make more just backing oil companies.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:34 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Climate change ( AKA Global Warming) is coming whether the pea-brain deniers think so or not. Is human activity a contributing factor? Yes. Is it a controlling factor? Maybe, maybe not. If human activity can be amended in a way that mitigates the severity of climate change, should we try that approach? Yes. Will natural factors or natural disasters such as massive or multiple volcanic eruptions or regional forest or bush fires make things worse? Yes. Would it be wise to take that into account and try to mitigate the human contribution to global warming? Indeed, it would. Should we prepare for massive movement of human populations away from places no longer habitable? You bet. Should I buy beachfront property for a long-term residence or investment? No. Should I revisit New Orleans and Venice and try to see the Maldives before they slip under the waves? Yes.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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Who said that the world is ending?
AGW proponents do.

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So what you are saying is that if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay for bridges, tunnels and highways? Too bad, that is not the way our society works.
Sorry. You don't have the authority to force other people to change their lifestyle or pay some kind of tax for the sake of saving the world from "global warming". Not you, not this government, and certainly not a globalist international organization in some foreign nation. No.

If you believe in AGW, practice what you preach and leave the rest of us alone.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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Would it be wise to take that into account and try to mitigate the human contribution to global warming?
Mitigate YOUR OWN activity. Leave everybody else alone.


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Should we prepare for massive movement of human populations away from places no longer habitable? You bet. Should I buy beachfront property for a long-term residence or investment? No. Should I revisit New Orleans and Venice and try to see the Maldives before they slip under the waves? Yes.
YOU MOVE. You move to the Himilayas and prepare for the flood, the rest of us will be fine.
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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AGW proponents do.
The only thing I've seen is deniers making that claim....I've never seen or heard of a climate scientist saying it, or for that matter anyone who accepts the science.



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Sorry. You don't have the authority to force other people to change their lifestyle, or pay some kind of tax, for the sake of saving the world from "global warming". Not you, not this government, and certainly not a globalist international organization in some foreign nation. No.
You're right, I have no such authority, nor do I want it....By the way I have been paying carbon tax since 2008 and it hasn't harmed me in any way.

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If you believe in AGW, practice what you preach and leave the rest of us alone.
I do...I have been living as green as I can for years....How are you going to feel when the bill comes due on the damage caused by climate change?
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