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Old 03-23-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Since greed trumps over what is best for the nation, I think we will continue to move toward a banana republic. Washington DC is plumb full of the business class that care more about their quarterly profits utilizing slave labor here and abroad that what is best for the nation.
Name one thing that is not afforded to you by greed.

Greed is the greatest thing as long as it doesn’t encroach other people’s rights.

You know what is bad greed? Expecting others to foot your bills.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:01 AM
 
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Overly simplistic view of a complicated problem. If the homeless problem was only about those unable to find and hold jobs that helps them to afford a home then capitalism plays a big part of the problem. However other parts of the homeless problem include addiction (drugs and alcohol), mental illness, and illegal immigration. Secure the border and begin deporting those who entered the country illegally and you begin to put a dent in that facet of the homeless problem. You can’t help addicts unless they want the help to break their addiction to drugs and alcohol and even then they’re still very likely to go back to their drug of choice. Mental illness is more complex than addiction. Some are also addicts who’ve been self medicating. Some can return to functioning normal with counseling and medication while others would require supervisory care such as with relatives or in a treatment facility.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:05 AM
 
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Overly simplistic view of a complicated problem. If the homeless problem was only about those unable to find and hold jobs that helps them to afford a home then capitalism plays a big part of the problem. However other parts of the homeless problem include addiction (drugs and alcohol), mental illness, and illegal immigration. Secure the border and begin deporting those who entered the country illegally and you begin to put a dent in that facet of the homeless problem. You can’t help addicts unless they want the help to break their addiction to drugs and alcohol and even then they’re still very likely to go back to their drug of choice. Mental illness is more complex than addiction. Some are also addicts who’ve been self medicating. Some can return to functioning normal with counseling and medication while others would require supervisory care such as with relatives or in a treatment facility.
Just providing jobs for these people even if they use it to buy drugs or booze and stay homeless, who cares. Picking up dog **** in parks would be more productive and providing a service for society instead of bumming everyone else out.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What should happen is something like this:

They need to go to a place with minimal, but firm structure, one where they can't get out, and drugs, alcohol and the other disruptive elements of the street can't get in.

Depending upon how well their intelligence can grasp the basic rules of existing and functioning in any social situation, they should be sheltered and fed, but this security has to be earned -- at a "price" of simple respect for the rules by which we all operate. Respect and participate, and you'll eat as well as the rest of us; display your defiance, and life will go on, but it can get very dull, and very grim -- pretty quickly.

This is a central principle of how any advancing society operates, and it can likely be incorporated into the overall "safety net" at minimal cost; but those who display minimal responsibility deserve minimal rights, and minimal amenities.
Not a crime to be:

Homeless

Mentally ill

Addicted to alcohol or drugs

Poor
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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I think the answer is, if you do not work, you do not eat.
Wouldnt California be a fine example of free market capitalism in action for the homeless there?


Also, what is free market capitalisms response to homeless pooping in the streets and littering used needles all over the place?
freedom of slavery. That would be a true free market capitalism.
Also no tariffs or subsidies (they are just another type of tax and spending which Republicans always do to support the "suffering rich.")

The "suffering rich" would rather see the poor and their employees suffering then lose 1 out of 7 of their paid-off cars or boats. It's human psychology. Why should the rich be responsible for the people in their country? They had no say in what those homeless people's parents chose.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am sure that the municipal workers unions will be really happy to see their jobs disappear, when the homeless take over the street cleaning, parks maintenance and garbage collection as was suggested in a previous post in this thread .


Seriously. People who can't take care of themselves....are going to work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day doing manual labour ? Not going to happen.
There are working poor everywhere and some are homeless, sheltered out not.

When homeless are sheltered and out of the public’s view, seem most of the public don’t care.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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This is a central principle of how any advancing society operates, and it can likely be incorporated into the overall "safety net" at minimal cost; but those who display minimal responsibility deserve minimal rights, and minimal amenities.
So instead of giving tax-breaks to the rich who are not in the lower-ranks of the military, homeless veterans should get at least that money?
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Under Free Market Capitalism, what happens to the homeless?
From what I have seen they move to Florida where they can stay outdoors all year round.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Overly simplistic view of a complicated problem. If the homeless problem was only about those unable to find and hold jobs that helps them to afford a home then capitalism plays a big part of the problem. However other parts of the homeless problem include addiction (drugs and alcohol), mental illness, and illegal immigration. Secure the border and begin deporting those who entered the country illegally and you begin to put a dent in that facet of the homeless problem. You can’t help addicts unless they want the help to break their addiction to drugs and alcohol and even then they’re still very likely to go back to their drug of choice. Mental illness is more complex than addiction. Some are also addicts who’ve been self medicating. Some can return to functioning normal with counseling and medication while others would require supervisory care such as with relatives or in a treatment facility.
State institutions began closing in the 50’s. They were political embarrassments and inadequately supported by state revenues.

A family cannot be required to pay for a seriously mentally ill family member.

Mentally ill cannot be forced to take medication which may or may not reduce symptoms observed by the public.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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Maybe if we focused on our homeland we wouldn't have to worry so much about what other countries are up to. If that's communist, okay then.
The USA has 900 military bases abroad. Russia has 9. That's what "focus on the homeland" gets you. And where would ignorant cheap labor come from, if not from immigrants that are aware of your country's military power and existence but not of how to unionize and thus properly capitalize there?
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