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Old 03-23-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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permanently depressed economy.
Thats a farce. The EU is making it seem all like dark times ahead to scare the British into submission. The Brits may take a blow at first, but believe me. Theres a line of countries in line to make trade deals with them.The President day european union is the same exact idea Hitler had for europe after the war ended, except put Merkel in Hitler's shoes.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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Yes, one million people hate democracy, got it.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:20 PM
 
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Brexit really reminds me of Trump....well, probably because the Russians and Mercer and Bannon and Cambridge Analytica, etc. were involved there in swinging their vote.

But now a million people have taken to the streets. Imagine...in the USA we all sit on our duffs. This would be the equiv of 2.5 Million Americans camping outside the WH.

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/3/23/...t-nigel-farage

You have to at least hand it to them....our pols KNOW we will take anything from them and our only reaction will be calling a radio talk show.
Actually, the Women's March after Trump's election involved millions of people all across the country, and men were involved as well.

I don't think the British parliament suffers from the widespread corruption and malfeasance that we have seen coming from the Republican party since 2000, and Brexit is the one and only issue (outside of the Iraq invasion that Blair supported) that has truly an immediate and powerful impact on the life of every Brit over the past couple decades.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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Britain is already very leftest. Some Americans would call them Socialists. They are way far left of the US. Now they are showing that they have the good sense to not veer to the extreme left where they are bossed around and have to take in more immigrants than they have space for. They're not rejecting globalism. Remember, they had an entire Empire.

If they ever get BREXIT they will have to forge new trade deals and that will still be globalism. But it will be on their own terms.
Agreed. But globalism is a big umbrella and I'm not sure that forging trade agreements between nations is in the same league as accepting governance from a body that resides outside your borders. I'm thinking both the EU and the UN aspire to be that body and would eventually combine ...and voila ... you have a construct very close to a one world government.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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As per those who follow Trump, they have gotten the worst of all possibly worlds in the UK.

Many companies have already left or announced they are leaving - that is happening no matter what happens. I predict the voters will overturn Brexit and stay in the EU.

Lose-Lose is the game of Mercers, Trump, Fox, Bannon and friends. There is no upside except some additional hate and "nationalism"....if you call that "positive".
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:32 PM
 
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Vote until you get the result you want and then stop.
Kinda like, I dunno, having an EU referendum and join, then - have another?
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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Yes, one million people hate democracy, got it.
"Now that it's clearer what we're getting - and it's not what we were promised - we'd like another vote" means people hate democracy? Interesting line of thought.

Anyway, it's going to happen. The Tories would lose the next election if it didn't, and they don't give a hoot about the UK's future as long as they get to be in government. And obviously every problem is going to labeled the EU's fault.

All because of a misfired stunt designed to make UKIP voters vote Tory instead. It's so incredibly stupid.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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Kinda like, I dunno, having an EU referendum and join, then - have another?
Kinda like getting out of an expensive cellular contract where you pay a lot and get very little. Oh, and someone else controls your phone and makes the rules about how and when you can use it.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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The EU is making it seem all like dark times ahead to scare the British into submission.
1. The EU did them a favor by dealing with them for so long and trying to work something out. The EU has nothing to do with all the multi-national companies (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.) who are pulling out of the UK.
This is all self-inflicted.

2. Having done business with the UK in the past (importation of cast goods), I can assure you that countries are not lining up to do business with them. In general they are not competitive except in certain specialty fields. They are not large enough or diversified enough to be a "Keystone" of trade in todays world.

Their biggest strength has been in the financial and insurance fields. But that requires a high degree of globalism and free trade, the opposite of nationalism.

Although I'm sure you wished that the world works like you think it does, facts are facts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8792296.html

Amazing how many companies are leaving or opening bigger offices in the "real" EU and elsewhere...others are downsizing or setting aside reserves.

"Nationalism" isn't going to end well. Hopefully we can avoid the usual war that it ends up bringing...but, wow, imagine being a Brit and knowing that Bannon, the Mercers and Cambridge Analytica bought the vote...that caused you to lose your job.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:39 PM
 
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"Now that it's clearer what we're getting - and it's not what we were promised - we'd like another vote" means people hate democracy? Interesting line of thought.
An equally interesting line of thought is that when you sign up to pay EU taxes and do what they say, it's a forever thing.
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