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Yes, they did kill them. Yes, it is taught in history class as it should. It’s a lesson we must learn from. I don’t hate them for what they did back then. They were selfish and shortsighted but that’s no cause to hate them.
It has value today because it should teach us not to give ownership of land to people who do not live there and face no consequences from their actions.
Outside profiteers and corporations are doom to the ecosystem, we need local control of natural resources. That would end exploitation everywhere from the niger river delta, to the south of mexico.
I wouldn't, but it is arrogant to believe there is nothing to learn from pre-state societies.
The Eskimos with no farming capabilities and were able to form an equal society with great cultural value rather than the consumption based society we live in.
To not want to learn is arrogance to the greatest degree.
I never said that there was nothing to learn from primitive cultures.
However, to state that the American Indians were peaceful and advanced beings who lived in peace and harmony with their neighbors and with nature is simply a false, fanciful narrative that defies history.
In fact, American Indians were fairly hard on the environment. For those who engaged in farming, they would ravage areas with continuous annual farming, destroy that piece of land, then move on to another piece of land. As noted above, the indigenous people also caused the extinction of multiple forms of plant and animal life.
You really need to read a little more about the actual lifestyle of these primitive tribes, as the idyllic fantasy that you believe is far from reality.
The giant mammals of The Americas survived millions of years of climate change but soon disappeared upon the arrival of man.
Climate change was a factor.
And again it is not the natives were saints, but things change over time. Modern technology has great benefits, if it is utilized in the same local egalitarian structures some native populations had.
Even eskimo warfare (extremely minimal) did not mean their societies were not advanced culturally or economically. In fact permaculture comes from indigenous methods.
You are not even allowing yourself to accept basic facts, that the natives had traditions, peaceful trading, and moderate hunting. It was not all war and death.
No one claimed the natives never had conflicts, but none of your historical examples prove your point that they were murderous savages. They had culture, tradition, and advanced hunting methods, this is known.
So please stop using radical historical revisionism to claim that there was nothing decent to be found in native society.
It's also known that many had a very refined system of torture and what, even for the times, practices with captives that were considered barbaric.
If you were a woman who was captured you were going to be raped. By most of the men (this varied but not really by much). If you were a man you'd be tortured. The Comanches would castrate young male captives, not all but many of them. Some would be adopted into the band. Female captives were commodities in many cases and tortured unmercifully in most.
I never said that there was nothing to learn from primitive cultures.
However, to state that the American Indians were peaceful and advanced beings who lived in peace and harmony with their neighbors and with nature is simply a false, fanciful narrative that defies history.
In fact, American Indians were fairly hard on the environment. For those who engaged in farming, they would ravage areas with continuous annual farming, destroy that piece of land, then move on to another piece of land. As noted above, the indigenous people also caused the extinction of multiple forms of plant and animal life.
You really need to read a little more about the actual lifestyle of these primitive tribes, as the idyllic fantasy that you believe is far from reality.
So did the civilized people who were 'enlightened'.
But even in the case of native nomadic practices, the culture of indigenous methods to farming, fishing, and hunting, all are methods not considered in modern day production because they are not efficient (money making).
The Native Americans too had great herbal medicinal practices and even further north the eskimos (without agriculture) were able to produce a relatively stable society not based on exploitation, but cooperation.
Modern technology could be implemented to further permaculture methods, offer sustainable practices in maintaining and living within forestry, hunting, and more.
But instead modernity is consider urban in nature, and trade is considered corporate because more needs to be produced.
Advancements doesn't need to mean more, instead we could turn away from the cost heavy model we have today.
To try to make it anything other than history shows a very low IQ.
Please do not make fun of low IQ. I have a 79. Low IQ people have rights and deserve reparations.
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You libs say you can not fault the illegals children for the crimes of the parents but we are supposed to be responsible for something maybe our great great great grand fathers did. Its really stupid. You OP run on emotion not reason or reasoned thought.
Look up some of that poster's posts on international topics.
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But the Buffalo has made a come back through reasoned thought out plans. They are alive and well.
Ironically though, not in the heart of their former habitat, the Great Plains. An isolated outpost survived in Yellowstone, and from that there has been a recovery.
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Our ancestors saw that they made mistakes and set aside large federal parks and through conservation helped to save the Bison and other creatures like the Wolf and others. To whine about spilt milk just to whine is very low intellect.
Again, picking on my 79 IQ. The elimination of the wolf was a big mistake. The wolf should have been harassed enough to inculcate a fear of man, but not hunted to the point of extirpation in the Lower 48 states.
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The only reasons to bring up the past is to learn history or to learn mistakes so as not to repeat them. To whine about this shows someone who is emotionally unhinged.
I am a history buff for that reason. I believe that history is more cyclical than linear. History has a tendency to repeat itself, albeit in new guises.
It's also known that many had a very refined system of torture and what, even for the times, practices with captives that were considered barbaric.
Including slavery.
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If you were a woman who was captured you were going to be raped. By most of the men (this varied but not really by much). If you were a man you'd be tortured. The Comanches would castrate young male captives, not all but many of them. Some would be adopted into the band. Female captives were commodities in many cases and tortured unmercifully in most.
Hawkeye is correct. Look at the Aztecs who enslaved and murdered people for sacrifice as did the Mayans and some NA tribes practiced head hunting, cannibalism and human sacrifice. This idea the left idiots come up with that the indigenous people had some kind of superior culture need to either S T FU or go live in a Tepee they made themselves and give up electricity, cars, planes, packaged food, going out to eat and make their own cloths. Other than that you are living what the White man has given you. Just say thank you and ST FU.
The Aztecs were a powerful state that abused the local tribes.
There was always war, but that had nothing to do with what we are talking about. In fact often times the less advanced societies like the Inuit were far less violent than the former.
I suspect the total amount of methane emissions from 1860s bison population and 2014 US beef cattle population are roughly similar (according to the EPA, feedlot beef cattle have much lower per-head methane emissions than bison - about half as much)
Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez would probably have been able to solve that problem.
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