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A restraining order is issued by a judge to protect someone from being stalked, threatened, abused,...
I was on jury duty and while we were in the rotunda there was this parade of women going into this one office. Someone asked the chaperone what was going on and he explained that many of them just lost custody of their kids to the Father in the family court and they obtain a PFA to keep custody and the checks rolling. I know someone personally going through a messy divorce that had his guns confiscated because of some bogus claim, in that case the judge turned to this persons lawyers and said something along the lines of "I don't even need to hear from your client." and dismissed it. That cost him money, huge hassle and of course he had his rights stripped temporarily.
These laws are already frequently abused and opening it to even more abuse is very questionable. At the end of the day it's a piece of paper which I'm sure is quite effective at preventing harassment and things of that nature for someone that is only moderately violent/abusive. If an abusive husband or boyfriend has intentions of killing it's useless gun or no gun. Also keep in mind this is a two way street, these laws can be used to disarm someone when they may need it most.
I totally agree, this seems like giving up liberties for the sake of safety, that is NEVER the right thing to do, no matter what the circumstances are.
So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
Someone with a restraining order is not necessarily guilty of anything. Educate yourself how the restraining system works. The judge makes a decision on the victim's testimony - often times without any input or rebuttal from the accused - for the sake of the victim's safety.
A restraining order is issued by a judge to protect someone from being stalked, threatened, abused,...
It is nonsense to maintain that the civil rights of those who stalk, threaten, and abuse others outweighs the civil rights of those others to live.
Again, just because the judge issues a restraining order doesn't mean the accused is guilty of anything. The judge is just going by the victim (or so called) victim's testimony. This is why a restraining order is a civil case, not a criminal one. Often, a temporary restraining order is issued just based on a letter from the victim and then some kind of date is set in the future of the evaluation if this restraining order is to be made longer.
And why are women being murdered any bigger deal than men being murdered?
It's classic leftists tactics to name this the 'Violence Against Women Act', too. Anyone who argues that rights need to be kept intact until guilt is proven is supporting violence. Ugh. And who says it's only women? What about the women who attack men?
So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
Property rights are absolute, and the 5th Amendment is clear on what it takes to deprive a person of property and/or liberty.
If a person is provided every civil and legal right under the law, is given the full spread of due process, and is still found guilty of a felony by a jury of their peers, then fine, deprive them of property and liberty. Until you do that they must retain all of their civil and legal rights, and that means property rights to keep and bear arms.
Doesn't matter how distasteful you find it that our justice system is slow and deliberate. The accused retain their rights until such time as guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Keeping and bearing arms is one of those rights.
If the person was guilty of physical abuse, that is felony assault. Shouldn't be too hard to prove.
Yes.
If they are not locked up, a person has all their rights. "Should be allowed" You say that like they are your property.
If you threaten a partner then you should have your guns removed, we have quite the history of people that were not locked up that ended up killing someone.
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