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Old 04-01-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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So in effect, reducing our military strength is preferable to putting a stop to the billions we spend on people who are in this country in violation of U.S. laws?

Obama had our troop levels down to the lowest point since WWII. Thanks, but no thanks.
Why should we prevent the Arabs and Muslims from killing each other?

 
Old 04-01-2019, 07:50 PM
 
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Obama had higher military budgets than Bush every single year of his term.

If you want to contribute to a worldwide military empire with 700 military installations in 80 countries then you pay for it out of your own pocket.



Obama spent more than Trump did on Warmongering and a lot of it was secret.

https://www.thenation.com/article/am...134-countries/

The deployment of US Special Operations forces is a growing form of overseas power projection.


Since September 11, 2001, US Special Operations forces have grown in every conceivable way, from their numbers to their budget. Most telling, however, has been the exponential rise in special ops deployments globally. This presence—now, in nearly 70 percent of the world’s nations


In 2013, elite US forces were deployed in 134 countries around the globe, according to Major Matthew Robert Bockholt of SOCOM Public Affairs. This 123 percent increase during the Obama years demonstrates how, in addition to conventional wars and a CIA drone campaign, public diplomacy and extensive electronic spying, the US has engaged in still another significant and growing form of overseas power projection.

Conducted largely in the shadows by America’s most elite troops, the vast majority of these missions take place far from prying eyes, media scrutiny, or any type of outside oversight, increasing the chances of unforeseen blowback and catastrophic consequences.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Are you being facetious? Even if they're paying $15 an hour to stack the shelves or scoop fries into a bag, I don't think it's realistic to expect 80-year-olds to have the stamina do that.
Then they can move in with their kids.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The funny--or depressing--part is that Trump has so conditioned conservatives to accept socialism that they're now the ones proposing these things.
I watched that news special "Seattle is Dying" about the homeless problem up there. It was a pro-conservative (cop worship/drugs are the boogeyman) piece with heavy criticism against the liberal policies that have failed (obviously) the city.

Then in the final 20 minutes of it they look to a government-run program in Maryland which gets the homeless off the streets at a decent clip (well, according to the government bean counters).

Translation: Don't steal money and use force in their manner...steal money and use force in our manner.

Typical socialists bickering back and forth. Team Blue calls it a "homeless" problem. Team Red calls it a "drug" problem. They're both wrong but that's ok. Creating and never solving problems is how the State rolls so it can gain more power and guarantee its future existence.

Team Black and Yellow calls it a property rights problem. We know that if individuals had property rights and the ability to defend those property rights homeless people would be non-violently shunned from society if they refused charitable help.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I watched that news special "Seattle is Dying" about the homeless problem up there. It was a pro-conservative (cop worship/drugs are the boogeyman) piece with heavy criticism against the liberal policies that have failed (obviously) the city.

Then in the final 20 minutes of it they look to a government-run program in Maryland which gets the homeless off the streets at a decent clip (well, according to the government bean counters).

Translation: Don't steal money and use force in their manner...steal money and use force in our manner.

Typical socialists bickering back and forth. Team Blue calls it a "homeless" problem. Team Red calls it a "drug" problem. They're both wrong but that's ok. Creating and never solving problems is how the State rolls so it can gain more power and guarantee its future existence.

Team Black and Yellow calls it a property rights problem. We know that if individuals had property rights and the ability to defend those property rights homeless people would be non-violently shunned from society if they refused charitable help.
For all the Statists out there...

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In a covenant…among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one’s own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society. -- Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Now you see why I'm becoming a collapsitarian.

Just in the last year alone Trump and the GOP have literally dragged everything in this country towards socialism--huge budgets, gun control, import taxes, family leave...

Just look at how many Team Red people are calling for land confiscations and wealth redistribution.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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Minimum wage jobs rarely pay benefits. It's why we need UHC. Even those serving you your dinner get sick.
Sure they do as long as they put full time hours in .
 
Old 04-01-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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Sounds like they need to live within their means and shack up with other seniors to share expenses.
They should have been more responsible and saved enough money for retirement.
They did in many instances. They just never imagined that others would want to use their money for free because they screwed up.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 08:31 PM
 
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Sure they do as long as they put full time hours in .
No, they still often times do not. Who can afford it at minimum wage at that?
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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That $15 an hour is not starting off. You're not going into a low skill job and Boom! $15 an hour. To get that it will come in stages, and most wont be there long enough to get that.
The fact that this is even under discussion...as if it is a decent amount of money...proves, beyond any doubt, how brainwashed all Americans have become.

Consider these two facts. I lived in Middle TN in a rural low-wage area in the early 1970s.

1. My first job was temp labor in Nashville with "Manpower" - the lowest form of day labor. I made between $3.20 and $3.60 per hour.

2. My next job was unskilled labor on a house framing crew. I did learn to hammer a nail straight in, but I was low man on the job. $5. per hour.

Taking the Inflation Calculator.....
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

My unskilled work was from $16.41 to $25.64 FOR UNSKILLED OR LOW SKILLED WORK.

Fast forward an entire lifetime. US Productivity has doubled...in fact, it's nearly tripled since the 1960's.

Yet, pay is less? And you and others talk about $15 as if it is something that you have to work UP to? And that $15 an hour is going to kill grandma and hurt the poor and ruin the NYC economy?

Have we all gone mad?

Why didn't those wages I was being paid during Nixon's time ruin the country?

I would ask people reading this to think about it - but, honestly, I think the brainwashing and the crumbs being handed out have sunk in deep and people will still be saying in another decade that $10 an hour is too much to say.

The "owners" are so pleased that all of you have gotten accustomed to the thumbscrews they have been slowly tightening. In fact, people now think it is their own fault...or the fault of the poor people...or Mexicans or ANYONE ELSE other than their own government officials, themselves and the corporations that own all of them.

Believe me, those "business people" in Florida and Texas love their migrant labor...which is why they won't go e-Verify, because - you see - it's a perfect part of the plan. It keeps the wages low. An "import" will work for $12 or $15 or $20 (skilled job) and up and work hard and honestly...in most cases, better than their American counterpart. So why should those Corporations and Business people pay more than min. wage?

Oh, both FL and TX have very low minimum wage...for that very reason.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:24 PM
 
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If $15 minimum wage would be a livable wage... Why hasn't anyone looked at communities to see if food stamp and other social programs decreased? Or maybe they did and they are hiding it because it doesn't fit their agenda
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