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The teacher posted the pic of herself? Sure about that?
The teacher in Idaho who was referenced did post the picture with her boyfriend. She, however, is not the original teacher for this thread. In her case someone sent a nude picture of her to one of her students.
This is the kind of thing that happens when parents don't reinforce the concept of consequences for actions. Long gone are the days when a Polaroid Instamatic photo can be hidden in a box in the closet, where typically no one will ever see it until that person dies. In today's world if a person creates an electronic image of anything, they should expect to see it on the internet and they should expect to face the consequences of having created it.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
If I cannot trust my partner with the security of such an image, then how can I trust that he is not hiding a camera to sneak pictures of us doing sexual acts? Guess I'd be best off not having sex, because hey, ought to know if you take off your clothes, you get all the shame and punishment you deserve huh?
There are "Revenge Porn" laws for reasons. It is considered an ethical breach for the consenting recipient of such an image, to share it without the subject's consent. In today's world, people in intimate relationships have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such matters. Just as they do in their own bedrooms.
But my work though, could decide that cat videos are not sending the message they want to send and if I have my employer listed on Facebook and I share one, if that language was in my employment contract, they can fire me whether it was right or wrong objectively or legally or ethically for me to share a cat video. Contracts and morality are two very different things.
Funny thing is, I used to agree with sentiments like yours and I used to say them myself.
Back then I was in an abusive relationship with a man who absolutely WOULD have used "revenge porn" to try and hurt me. A spiteful, petty, nasty person.
Now that I'm in a much healthier and more loving bond with a sane person, my opinion has changed. If he wanted a picture, I'd give him one, and I do think I could trust him to keep it private, and we would discuss that.
If I cannot trust my partner with the security of such an image, then how can I trust that he is not hiding a camera to sneak pictures of us doing sexual acts? Guess I'd be best off not having sex, because hey, ought to know if you take off your clothes, you get all the shame and punishment you deserve huh?
There are "Revenge Porn" laws for reasons. It is considered an ethical breach for the consenting recipient of such an image, to share it without the subject's consent. In today's world, people in intimate relationships have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such matters. Just as they do in their own bedrooms.
But my work though, could decide that cat videos are not sending the message they want to send and if I have my employer listed on Facebook and I share one, if that language was in my employment contract, they can fire me whether it was right or wrong objectively or legally or ethically for me to share a cat video. Contracts and morality are two very different things.
Funny thing is, I used to agree with sentiments like yours and I used to say them myself.
Back then I was in an abusive relationship with a man who absolutely WOULD have used "revenge porn" to try and hurt me. A spiteful, petty, nasty person.
Now that I'm in a much healthier and more loving bond with a sane person, my opinion has changed. If he wanted a picture, I'd give him one, and I do think I could trust him to keep it private, and we would discuss that.
That's an interesting perspective.
One thing confuses me regarding this whole ordeal. In Europe and other places in the world, there is little, if anything thought of nudity or partial nudity. I've been to popular vacation destinations in Germany, France, Portugal, Spain and Italy, especially at beaches, where partial or full nudity was the norm although no one cared whether or not another person chose not to participate in the dress down of the area.
I find the puritanical demands of the few in the US to be quite intolerant of peoples' free will. That I find disturbing. What does that mean with regard to this particular incident? Well... I'm of the opinion that no one's rights or property were encroached upon by this woman voluntarily taking a nude selfie and sharing it with her boyfriend. Yet due to some people who demand to impose THEIR will, beliefs, morality and dictates upon society, we have things like a morality clause in a work contract yet the morality is strictly subjective. If however that morality clause were based upon whether the action or inaction encroached upon the rights or property of another, THEN I could understand it.
Regardless of MY personal libertarian views on the subject, each of us should still be willing to accept the consequences of our actions, and we should always err on the side of prudence because societal values can and will change either over time or in an instant.
A lot depends on where she teaches. Is she in a union? What does her/their contract say? Is it an At will employment?
Normally you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all. The only thing prohibited is firing someone for being a member of a protected class. People who send naked pictures to their boyfriends are not a protected class.
Here, he best argument is that the is being fired because she is a woman. A man would not be fired if a topless picture of him surfaced among students.
I do not understand why she would want to tech there again. That picture will be passed around the school for the next ten years. Her male students will be using her picture as stimulation for masturbation and then coming to her class. instead of learning, they will be staring at her breasts and remembering the picture. there will always be one or more students who think since they saw her naked picture, it is ok to approach her for sex. She will get hit on by multiple 8th graders Notwithstanding the challenges that produces for the learning process, why would she want to work in those conditions?
What type of person takes cell phone pix of their junk, let alone sending it to someone, regardless of what their relationship with the receiver is?
It would seem people from all walks of life. Everyone from the humble schoolteacher to Jeff Bezos. The time has passed that this is anything unique or newsworthy. Culture is ever-evolving and changing. The fact that someone lost her job due to her privacy being breached is ridiculous.
What type of person takes cell phone pix of their junk, let alone sending it to someone, regardless of what their relationship with the receiver is?
Breasts are not genitals.
Beyond that, what kind of person does that? A ridiculous many of the young people who grew up in the era of cell phone cameras being completely normal and SnapChat being a thing. That's who. My teenage sons have told me that nudes are exchanged constantly among their peers in high school. I have warned them in very intense language that due to child porn laws they'd better not take any, ask for any, or keep any on their devices.
I tend to think that due to the massive availability of all sorts of porn to people starting at a relatively young age, thanks to the internet, the whole mindset of "OMG Nekkidism!" is going to die off. People will get desensitized. And with cities making toplessness in public legal, hopefully bare breasts won't be the subject of prurient obsession in the future, any more than feminine ankles are now. May our children's children laugh at our ways.
I don't know if you come from a more traditionalist background, or are an older person, but sending "nudes" is not that outrageous a thing to do, for today's younger people. And a lot of progressive and sex-positive movements are promoting the idea that a woman's body is not a shameful or dirty thing and that if men can't handle seeing it, that's their problem.
My sons, in very early adolescence, we had a friend who would breastfeed her baby at our house, and she wasn't in the habit of covering up, she'd just flop it right out there. None of us ever reacted to it, I didn't have to tell my sons not to react, they didn't stare, they didn't make an issue of it at all. The whole "modesty" thing is definitely a matter of cultural training.
@KS_Referee: I do think that Americans are more hung up on this than Europeans probably are. I don't know, I've never been to Europe. There are places in the US where you can go and be nude around others...private clubs, nude beaches, clothing-optional hot springs, resorts...but I think that few Americans actually go do that, and even fewer would admit it.
Anyhow. So the questions I'd love to see answered... 1. How did the student get the photo? 2. Is there language in her contract that would specifically cover this incident? 3. Is it an "at will" employment state? These things are so much more relevant than whether or not it's outrageous to share a nude pic.
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