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Old 04-01-2019, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I think the NRA may have picked the wrong fight on this one, what exactly is their issue.

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WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun lobby, has settled on its next target on Capitol Hill: blocking Congress from reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act, a 1994 law that assists victims of domestic and sexual violence.
The House is set to vote on the legislation this week; the law expired in February. But the bill includes a new provision — aimed at curbing sexual violence by expanding law enforcement’s ability to strip domestic abusers of their guns — that the N.R.A. does not like. The measure closes the so-called boyfriend loophole by barring those convicted of abusing, assaulting or stalking a dating partner or those subject to a court restraining order from buying or owning firearms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/u...gtype=Homepage
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:33 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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A restraining order is not a criminal conviction and in a free society civil rights don't get taken away without a criminal conviction by a jury.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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A restraining order is not a criminal conviction and in a free society civil rights don't get taken away without a criminal conviction by a jury.
So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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A restraining order is not a criminal conviction and in a free society civil rights don't get taken away without a criminal conviction by a jury.
If your daughter gets smacked around and seeks a restraining order for protection but the boyfriend she saught protection from didn't have to surrender his Saturday Night Special he used in a potential murder-suicide. This is far too common to continue doing nothing.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
No, I think someone who hasn't been convicted of a serious crime retains their civil rights.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
Absolutely. Abuse and killing are very different concepts.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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If your daughter gets smacked around and seeks a restraining order for protection but the boyfriend she saught protection from didn't have to surrender his Saturday Night Special he used in a potential murder-suicide. This is far too common to continue doing nothing.
Sorry but we have a Bill of Rights for a reason.
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Old 04-01-2019, 07:01 PM
 
Location: DFW
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If your daughter gets smacked around and seeks a restraining order for protection but the boyfriend she saught protection from didn't have to surrender his Saturday Night Special he used in a potential murder-suicide. This is far too common to continue doing nothing.
Has he been convicted of a felony ?

You give up your rights that easily?
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:01 PM
 
Location: MS
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So you think someone guilty of abusing a partner should be allowed to retain a gun.
Is this someone allowed to walk freely among the rest of society? If so, then they should be able to own a gun. If you somehow can't trust them with a gun then they should be locked up. There are thousands of other items that can be used as a deadly weapon and telling someone not to possess a gun does not make them less dangerous.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:21 AM
 
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If your daughter gets smacked around and seeks a restraining order for protection ......

It's a piece of paper that will not shield you from someone that has violent tendencies. However if the abusive boyfriend decides to seek his own restraining order your daughter could be disarmed.
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