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Yes, they are but in different ways. For a given temperature, the water vapor concentration in the atmosphere has a maximum value (saturation pressure) and after that point it condenses out. This process can happen quite rapidly, for example when it rains. No matter how much water is pumped into the atmosphere, the saturation pressure does not change for a given temperature.
Carbon dioxide on the other hand forms an equilibrium with the carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans. This is not an instantaneous process. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere doesn't fall to the ground/ocean like rain. It needs to be convected down to the ocean's surface and contact the water in order to diffuse into it. Additionally, unlike water, as carbon dioxide is absorbed into the ocean and the concentration of CO2 in the water increases, so does the concentration of CO2 in the air in equilibrium with the water.
Thus carbon emissions have a greater, longer lasting impact than water vapor emissions.
That is silly. CO2 does not need to be "escorted" to the surface of the ocean to be "absorbed"!
There is nothing special or magical about CO2- it is just a gas. As any gas, it equilibrates uniformly in the atmosphere, but is stratified. Air the comes into contact with the oceans equilibrates. However, there is not a "void" or "pockets of high CO2" in areas in which equilibration has occurred- it is occupied by other CO2 molecules. CO2 has an atmospheric "residence time" of 3 years, in contrast to what the AGW crowd thinks.
That is silly. CO2 does not need to be "escorted" to the surface of the ocean to be "absorbed"!
There is nothing special or magical about CO2- it is just a gas. As any gas, it equilibrates uniformly in the atmosphere, but is stratified. Air the comes into contact with the oceans equilibrates. However, there is not a "void" or "pockets of high CO2" in areas in which equilibration has occurred- it is occupied by other CO2 molecules. CO2 has an atmospheric "residence time" of 3 years, in contrast to what the AGW crowd thinks.
Do you guys have any knowledge of gases or physics? It sounds like you have some cartoonish vision of how gases equilibrate in the atmosphere.
The point is that "excess" CO2 cannot just fall out of the sky like water can. It takes time to equilibrate. Care to address how water has a limit to how much can be in the atmosphere at a given temperature and CO2 does not?
The point is that "excess" CO2 cannot just fall out of the sky like water can. It takes time to equilibrate. Care to address how water has a limit to how much can be in the atmosphere at a given temperature and CO2 does not?
Indeed- that time is very short. It does not "fall out of the sky". Gases and liquids are miscible- this equilibrium, unlike what the AGW nonsense says, occurs very quickly with maximum "residence time" of CO2 being 3 years. You don't need to "shuttle" CO2 to the surface of the ocean- diffusion occurs throughout the atmosphere. Do you think there are CO2 molecules in the atmosphere patiently waiting in line at the ocean surface to dissolve? Do they have to raise their hand first to be "accepted" into the ocean?
A little "thought experiment" for you that is an exercise in statistics, as well as gases. If you have two boxes, connected by a tube, with one molecule of CO2 in one and 99 in the other. You suddenly open the partition. What is the chance that the one molecule remains in one box and 99 in the other? (the answer is using a factorial calculation and shows statistically why gases of different concentrations equilibrate and also why the arrow of time goes forward).
In addition to dissolving as CO2 in the oceans, the oceans have a tremendous buffering effect with calcium carbonate. The ocean's buffering system has in the past, and will in the future, allow equilibration of CO2 at 10X current levels.
It is amusing that the libs try to ascribe some magical "super molecule" properties to CO2. It is just a gas- it is an important gas that is equally important as O2 to our planet.
Oddly, despite the AGW crowd's hatred for CO2, long before the extinction of the sun, life on earth will cease not due to "global warming", but lack of CO2.
Indeed- that time is very short. It does not "fall out of the sky". Gases and liquids are miscible- this equilibrium, unlike what the AGW nonsense says, occurs very quickly with maximum "residence time" of CO2 being 3 years.
In addition to dissolving as CO2 in the oceans, the oceans have a tremendous buffering effect with calcium carbonate. The ocean's buffering system has in the past, and will in the future, allow equilibration of CO2 at 10X current levels.
It is amusing that the libs try to ascribe some magical "super molecule" properties to CO2. It is just a gas- it is an important gas that is equally important as O2 to our planet.
Oddly, despite the AGW crowd's hatred for CO2, long before the extinction of the sun, life on earth will cease not due to "global warming", but lack of CO2.
Liberals don't "hate" CO2 or ascribe "magical" properties to it. Resorting to cheap rhetoric only impresses yourself.
Perhaps I missed you posting it earlier in the thread but just how much has the water vapor content of the atmoshphere increased in the last 100 years compared to CO2? CO2 has gone up about 50 percent from pre-industrial levels. Based on your earlier posts, water must have gone up at least as much
Please actually try to engage in debate or provide counter-evidence to the claims made by the OP, rather than dropping one-liners which do not address the thread's topic. That is called trolling, and is against the Terms of Service for this site. Thank you.
Trolling? Ridicule is the only appropriate response to these daily crank threads. Isn't there something in the rules about spamming the board with dozens of threads on the same topic?
Indeed- that time is very short. It does not "fall out of the sky". Gases and liquids are miscible- this equilibrium, unlike what the AGW nonsense says, occurs very quickly with maximum "residence time" of CO2 being 3 years. You don't need to "shuttle" CO2 to the surface of the ocean- diffusion occurs throughout the atmosphere. Do you think there are CO2 molecules in the atmosphere patiently waiting in line at the ocean surface to dissolve? Do they have to raise their hand first to be "accepted" into the ocean?
A little "thought experiment" for you that is an exercise in statistics, as well as gases. If you have two boxes, connected by a tube, with one molecule of CO2 in one and 99 in the other. You suddenly open the partition. What is the chance that the one molecule remains in one box and 99 in the other? (the answer is using a factorial calculation and shows statistically why gases of different concentrations equilibrate and also why the arrow of time goes forward).
In addition to dissolving as CO2 in the oceans, the oceans have a tremendous buffering effect with calcium carbonate. The ocean's buffering system has in the past, and will in the future, allow equilibration of CO2 at 10X current levels.
It is amusing that the libs try to ascribe some magical "super molecule" properties to CO2. It is just a gas- it is an important gas that is equally important as O2 to our planet.
Oddly, despite the AGW crowd's hatred for CO2, long before the extinction of the sun, life on earth will cease not due to "global warming", but lack of CO2.
Uh, you forgot the 9... The half life of 27 years is equivalent to a residence time for CO2 of 39 years.....Compared to water vapor which leaves as rain sometimes within hours.
The lifetime in the air of CO2, the most significant man-made greenhouse gas, is probably the most difficult to determine, because there are several processes that remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Between 65% and 80% of CO2 released into the air dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20–200 years.
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