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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-07-2019, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Private schools would equal the majority of kids not getting any education. How many families do you think can afford to pay $10k-$20k per year for private school tuition per kid?
No State means no public schools, no regulations, no restrictions, and no monopoly on currency.

Entrepreneurs would be foaming at the mouth to set up an educational system for potential customers without having to kiss Sammy's ring.

Supply and demand would find a way to fill the market.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Basic healthcare is a right (emergency room visit after a gunshot). But routine healthcare on the taxpayer dime because you refuse to exercise and eat healthy is not a right.

The doctors and nurses who have to treat fat people everyday just don't get paid enough for it.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Basic healthcare is a right (emergency room visit after a gunshot). But routine healthcare on the taxpayer dime because you refuse to exercise and eat healthy is not a right.

The doctors and nurses who have to treat fat people everyday just don't get paid enough for it.
American Conservatives: our socialism is not only different...it's crude.

Hooray for slavery!
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Basic healthcare is a right (emergency room visit after a gunshot). But routine healthcare on the taxpayer dime because you refuse to exercise and eat healthy is not a right.

The doctors and nurses who have to treat fat people everyday just don't get paid enough for it.

Nursing needs to be something taught in high school. That way it halves the cost to get a degree... and we can pay them less.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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I don't care about healthcare, but I DO THINK everyone should have a right to a Porsche. A 911 GT2 with all the go-fast goodies. We should have single-payer Porsche 911/GT2.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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I never understood conflating "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" with a right to health care. And I don't believe the framers did either.
Also, "available" does not mean the government has to pay for it. It just means access. If I didn't have insurance, I have choices about how to work that out so I do have coverage. That's where it ends. What I decide to do does not require (or should not require) anyone or everyone else to pay for it.
All that said, if the 535 people who rule over us had any wisdom, or overarching vision for providing what is good for the people in this country, and I believe health care would be one of those 'things,' then they could have started to change course on this during the Obamacare wranglings.
Instead of doing something that really seemed to make sense - like allowing competition between insurance companies across state lines, as just one example - they come up with another convoluted government plan to have those that can afford it (questionable) pay for those who cannot, and putting restrictions and conditions on the whole thing that ruined it for the many for the benefit of the few (I know the numbers are not 'few' but just sayin').
We are never going to win this one unless we demand better of these truly worthless politicians.
Agree. I could say I need the latest Iphone to make me happy. Does that mean I have a right to it?
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:58 PM
 
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But if it's available, it's only fair and equal to have it available for all, not just a select few.
It's only fair and equal to have each individual person purchase their own health care services from their own paychecks.
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Old 04-07-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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it's objectively true that universal healthcare saves money and covers more people.
"Universal Healthcare" is code for "someone else is the payer." Let's just define who that someone else is -- and then, and ONLY then, can we see if it saves money.
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Old 04-07-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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It's only fair and equal to have each individual person purchase their own health care services from their own paychecks.

Since public universities have hospital systems, maybe school districts in sizable population centers should have the same, that way their nurses can do something extra when they're not at the school. Department of Health and Education just rolls off the tongue.
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Old 04-07-2019, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't care about healthcare, but I DO THINK everyone should have a right to a Porsche. A 911 GT2 with all the go-fast goodies. We should have single-payer Porsche 911/GT2.
Except you don't need a Porsche to live.
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