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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-08-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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If we just elect better people lol
Dreamer.
What are you talking about?

It has nothing to do with electing better people. It has to do with who has the power in society and who doesnt. As long as labor unions are destroyed as a result of the war against the working class and the campaign finance system is deeply corrupt, we cant have good things for the people.

Look at the ideology you are spouting. So-called "libertarianism" is wholly funded by the ultra rich who want a neo-feudal society with a tiny powerful elite at the top and the masses slaving around for the masters. Just like in feudal times, democracy is hated by the elite, and especially in the so-called libertarian movement. After all, democracy is a threat to any system of power. In feudal times, private property rights was all that mattered, just like it is for libertarians, and with their own private armies and the corrupt legal system in place, the ruling class could rule with an iron fist.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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healthcare is (like the fire brigade or the police or the schools) a public service
And every single "public service" is paid for by forcibly taking from some number of people, thus making each and every single public service a forcible claim on the labor of the quasi-slaves we call "taxpayers."
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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Bollox? From the article I posted:

"Research by the The British Ophthalmological Surveillance Unit found up to 22 patients every month were going blind or being left partially sighted because treatment was not started in time."

About the BOSU: https://www.rcophth.ac.uk/standards-...nce-unit-bosu/

Seems they have much more expertise than you. Stop being an arse.
Of course in the US system nobody has any unmet medical needs, right?
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:32 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Bollox? From the article I posted:

"Research by the The British Ophthalmological Surveillance Unit found up to 22 patients every month were going blind or being left partially sighted because treatment was not started in time."

About the BOSU: https://www.rcophth.ac.uk/standards-...nce-unit-bosu/

Seems they have much more expertise than you. Stop being an arse.
I am not being an 'arse' as you eloquently put it, I am telling you my actual 'REAL' experience with the NHS, and you haven't actually answered any of my questions!
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:34 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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And every single "public service" is paid for by forcibly taking from some number of people, thus making each and every single public service a forcible claim on the labor of the quasi-slaves we call "taxpayers."
Do you suggest that people should pay for all of their own police force / fire brigade / schools / public services? Abstain perhaps if you don't want protection from the police or fire brigade?
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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Certainly food, shelter & clothing come before healthcare as a necessity of life, and therefore , a "right." Why aren't The Nannycrats advocating for free food, housing & clothing for all?...Certainly because that position would expose them too obviously as "communists" or more correctly, as politicians trying to buy votes with taxpayer money.


Anyone thinking a single payer system would lead to lower healthcare costs needs to be disabused of that false notion: simple Law of Supply & Demand--
This flies against the massive mountain of real world evidence that says the opposite: the private for-profit health care system is extremely inefficient with thousands of billing clerks, massive price gouging as consumers are naturally clueless and desperate to survive and huge corruption at every level of the system. The most cost effective systems are all universal health care systems. America is a huge outlier in terms of costs.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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And every single "public service" is paid for by forcibly taking from some number of people, thus making each and every single public service a forcible claim on the labor of the quasi-slaves we call "taxpayers."
It's taking it voluntarily because if a person objects to the laws laying down how the tax system works then they can renounce citizenship and move somewhere else.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Of course in the US system nobody has any unmet medical needs, right?
There are unmet needs in both systems. That's the point.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Surgeries can be financed. What hasnt helped is govt meddling, controls, edicts, etc. in pretty much every sector of healthcare that have made surgery (and everything else) exorbitantly expensive. Why people want the state to meddle more or take it over entirely is beyond me. And I dont really care how its done on the other side of planet in a country with a fraction of the US population in a country that doesnt have its military spread all over the globe fighting numerous wars, while at the same time also funding a ginormous welfare state.
The US is full of dreamers and naive economic children who are for the most part too lazy to look behind the curtain to see how things really work.
Really? I didn't know you could finance emergency heart surgery! How would that work?



I swear some of you opposed to UHC come up with the most bat chit ideas & excuses !
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:37 AM
 
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There are unmet needs in both systems. That's the point.
Of course there are, but the prevalence of those unmet needs may well vary don't you think?
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