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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-07-2019, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Taxes are collected. They pay the wages of people who provide healthcare.

This is not a complicated concept. Surprised you're not able to keep up...
I don't voluntarily pay taxes. I do so at gunpoint.
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:24 AM
 
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Uh, no. Slavery is the act of owning another human. No one would own you. You may want to spend some time learning more about that before embarrassing yourself again.

This is called a tax-supported public service. You'd have to ask the person suggesting it how it would work and whether you could opt out.
Ill ask you again; Can someone opt out of paying taxes?
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:32 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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So slavery is justified if it makes economic sense? Got it.

So Death is justified, if it makes economic sense? Right Frank?
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Ill ask you again; Can someone opt out of paying taxes?
If you don't mind living in a cage at gunpoint, sure.
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:37 AM
 
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Ill ask you again; Can someone opt out of paying taxes?
Again, I'm not the one making the suggestion to treat healthcare like school (as a public service), so you would need to ask the person who suggested it.

In general, however, re: taxes... the best way for you to learn how taxes work is by starting to pay them.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
If someone else has to provide it for you. It is not a right. It is called property and you're it.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:10 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I think all American citizens and legal residents are entitled to a basic level of health care. But people who can afford to pay more do deserve to have BETTER health care.

The idea of illegal aliens aka foreign nationals getting free health care in our hospitals does make my blood boil though. I do wish hospitals could have the right to turn away illegal aliens and refuse treatment to them. And I am the son of LEGAL immigrants of color. My loyalty is to the US and no sympathy for Dreamers and caravans whatsoever. Our health care resources should be reserved for our own people.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:13 AM
 
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If someone else has to provide it for you. It is not a right. It is called property and you're it.
This is actually not true. You can have a right to something the government provides for you. There's Constitutional Rights like that.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:34 AM
 
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The two answers in the poll question are not opposing concepts. I can believe (and do) that it is a far-left concept AND it’s a right, not a privilege.

We need to get rid of “teams” in politics. Then ideas and proposals would have to evaluated on merits instead of how left or right the idea is. But then we would lose the popularity aspect and people would have to actually think for themselves.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Ah..… healthcare for all.... covering everyone, for everything.....

The devil is in the details -- There isn't enough money, or enough doctors, to cover everything. You will have to ration care - and you should ration care. Chew on these scenarios:

Does the 92 year old, stage 4 cancer patient get $500,000 of care, to keep her alive for 3 more months?

How about the 80 year old life long smoker who just got lung cancer. We can keep him alive for 2 years.

The 55 year old guy on high blood pressure medicines but otherwise healthy.

The 24 year old who has a cold and needs to buy $5 medicine.

WHO GETS COVERED AND WHO DECIDES?

And do you think the government can run this?

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