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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-08-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Still why did the federal government intervene and decide to guarantee this medical treatment. If I limp my car into a shop why not mandate the mechanic service my car without regard for my ability to pay? Driving is also a privilege.
You can live without a car, this is a disingenuous argument
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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If you dont have the money for the cancer treatment, you die. Whats so great about that?
So if you do have the money to purchase a cancer treatment, or have it provided by the government after they have funded it from another at gunpoint, you will live forever? Neither my doctor nor my insurance company ever told me about that. Here I believed that we’re all going to die eventually. Thanks for enlightening me.

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Old 04-08-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There is nothing necessary about you living (me either). When you and I die, Earth will continue to rotate on its axis and will revolve around the Sun. Everything continues just as it once did.

You and I each want to live, but that is a want, not a need.
Strange attitude you have there...So I should just plan my funeral, stop my meds and die on Friday...I don't think so... You may be missing the instinct to survive, but I'm not.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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The most cost effective systems are all universal health care systems. America is a huge outlier in terms of costs.
I’ll go out on a limb and guess you’ve never worked as a government contractor.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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I am not blind about health care. It is one of many things that government and a vast number of people would like to add to the growing list of forced/violent claims on the labor of others.

Obviously, I say no, it should not be added, because I want all forced/violent claims on the labor of others done away with entirely (it's that whole "logical consistency" thing us anarchists are famous for), and I find the immorality of forcing people to labor against their will for a thing greater than any possible immorality of that thing not being done at all. Since you'll likely reply to that statement with a "so you mean..." appeal to ridicule or something, it means this, specific to this topic:

I think people not being able to afford goods and services that can possibly extend their life expectancy is unfortunate, but not immoral; however, I think some percentage of the population being forced to labor on behalf of those who cannot afford those goods and services is unfortunate, tragic, and totally immoral.
A Progressive is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he will gladly repay with your money.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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A Progressive is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he will gladly repay with your money.
So you strongly feel it's true that progressives want to make laws in which they don't have to pay a dime of tax under many circumstances?
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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No, it isn’t.
erm, yes it is!
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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I work full time (always have, always will), my Mrs worked full time until she was 'cut down' by Muscular Dystrophy, now she spend a lot of her time in and out of hospitals, let me ask you something - are we 'better off' with the NHS or with private care (also available don't forget) that would have probably made us bankrupt a long time ago? What would you do if you were in my position right now? Ditch your wife perhaps because you can't afford to treat her?
Based on my personal experience (above) Can anybody on here persuade me that the US system would be better for me? I've been waiting several hours for an answer!? Until somebody can show me otherwise I'm afraid I will have to say - thank god we don't live in the US! (like American people a lot though).
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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I’ll go out on a limb and guess you’ve never worked as a government contractor.
How does his work history affect the fact that the US healthcare system is far more expensive than in other countries that have universal healthcare of one form or another?
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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Based on my personal experience (above) Can anybody on here persuade me that the US system would be better for me? I've been waiting several hours for an answer!? Until somebody can show me otherwise I'm afraid I will have to say - thank god we don't live in the US! (like American people a lot though).
Ask little Charlie Gard.
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