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These people calling MGTOW incels and saying they can't get laid are vastly uninformed.
The vast majority can get laid. But they aren't so overly thirsty for vagina that they allow themselves to be manipulated and feminized by women. MGTOW are strong males who learn to control their urges and actually get things done in life to improve themselves. Being married mostly doesn't allow a man to do that. So MGTOW men don't simp themselves out in a relationship where their freedom is restricted.
They correctly recognize that although women and men have equal rights (women have more equal rights because of whiteknight, simpy lawmakers) we are not equal. Women have a role and men have a role in society. Women are usurping the masculine role and MGTOW is in effect saying 'ok, you want to be masculine? Go ahead. But I won't turn feminine. I'm checking out. You're on your own.'
I'm not hardcore MGTOW but I do see the wisdom in it. And since discovering true female nature I'm able to adapt my behaviors and quite frankly I have a rotation of 3 women. So in a way being acquainted with MGTOW has actually helped my sex life.
You guys haven't discovered some secret or new way of life, you're just single by choice. Yes all through history there were guys who preferred to be bachelors. Now they whine more whereas before they just bragged. My uncle used to wear a gold chain and carry around a portable bar and also rotate women, that was in the 70s, pretty common.
Now men just seem more defensive and mean about it. Almost as if they don't want to be single but it is women's fault they have to do this MGTOW thing. Just enjoy it for it's own sake and stop whining about women being too independent. lol.
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These people calling MGTOW incels and saying they can't get laid are vastly uninformed.
The vast majority can get laid. But they aren't so overly thirsty for vagina that they allow themselves to be manipulated and feminized by women. MGTOW are strong males who learn to control their urges and actually get things done in life to improve themselves. Being married mostly doesn't allow a man to do that. So MGTOW men don't simp themselves out in a relationship where their freedom is restricted.
They correctly recognize that although women and men have equal rights (women have more equal rights because of whiteknight, simpy lawmakers) we are not equal. Women have a role and men have a role in society. Women are usurping the masculine role and MGTOW is in effect saying 'ok, you want to be masculine? Go ahead. But I won't turn feminine. I'm checking out. You're on your own.'
I'm not hardcore MGTOW but I do see the wisdom in it. And since discovering true female nature I'm able to adapt my behaviors and quite frankly I have a rotation of 3 women. So in a way being acquainted with MGTOW has actually helped my sex life.
I have no idea if they can or cant get laid but hearing the things they say about women in general I cant imagine many women would be turned on by it and want to have any type intimate relationship with them.
How does being married not allow a man to get things done or improve themselves? Stats show married men are healthier and live longer and earn more than single men.
Personally I see people as individuals who are who they are and aint who they aint. There are some masculine men and more effeminate men, feminine women and more masculine women. I dont define people by pre-conceived gender characteristics or pre-conceived roles in society.
Actually I'm not sure what you even mean by masculine role or that you do. If it is breadwinner/provider it seems kind of contradictory that MGTOW speak against financially supporting a woman and having to support his kids at the same time claim women usurp the masculine role.
Well, I don't see how a MGTOW guy is "an old-fashioned Male Chauvinist". "Old Fashioned", in our world, means acquiescing to the system carefully crafted by military leaders and religious leaders, which forced men into heterosexual monogamy, and forced women to be baby machines. This assured an endless supply of cannon fodder for the War Machine, obedient church-goers dropping money into collection plates, and wage slaves for industrialists.
MGTOW is a REBELLION against "traditional values".
I'm all for it. There are lots of men, who have NO BUSINESS AROUND WOMEN. And, I would add, there are plenty of women who amount to fates worse than death, for men.
In the rural slum where I grew up, the saying was, "The best daddies are DEAD daddies." Sadly, it was true. There was a very manipulative rehab center commercial, a couple of decades back, which showed a little girl, her face contorted with hate and anger, saying about her addict "dad", "I wish he'd just GO AWAY!". Well, that's how the kids in my slum felt about their "dads". The men were low-IQ, violent, bitter, destructive, cig-smoking, prone to drunken bouts and minor or major drug habits. They just caused trouble.
As my Great-Grandmother used to say, "Everbody'd be happier, if the menfolk just STAYED out ta tha huntin' camp, buggerin' each-other, an' left the womenfolk ALONE!"Certainly, the number of rapists, child-molesters, and wife-beaters would be reduced enormously, if more men truly DID "Go their own way" - learning to openly and actively take care of each-other's needs.
And then, there's the question of genetic desirability. Why should the average man procreate, when there are plenty of potential sperm donors out there, who are over six-foot-four, who have IQs over 150, who are blond, who have big junk, who can solve multivariable equations with ease, who do not have Male-pattern Baldness, and who possess a whole array of other desirable heritable characteristics? In a world from which evolutionary pressures have been removed, it it only logical for sub-par men to remove themselves, voluntarily, from the breeding population. In so doing, they would actually STRENGTHEN their own 'tribes' (assuming that women choose superior sperm donors from within their own 'tribes' - a big IF...).
So, yes, I am all for more "Men Going Their Own Way" - but as a COMPLEMENT TO FEMINISM, rather than a reaction against it.
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And to answer the incoming comment on my above post: "Now that is one of the wackiest things I've heard in some time.
Most people having kids do not fit that "master race" level description. I think the population is moving in a different direction physically, actually." I am quite aware of what "most people" are doing. And I am aware of the direction the population is moving, physically. But I'm amazed by your implicit equation of "what most people are doing" with "what's best to do".
"Most people", in my experience, are fools.
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I was thinking the same.
I dont recall a time when there were not bachelors or that bachelors were seen in a bad light (as opposed to spinster)
They never have been seen in a bad light. The term bachelor has never had the same negative connotations as "spinster" and nobody judges men who are alone. I've also not heard of men being forced into arranged marriages the way that young women and young girls are, all over the world.
Well, I don't see how a MGTOW guy is "an old-fashioned Male Chauvinist". "Old Fashioned", in our world, means acquiescing to the system carefully crafted by military leaders and religious leaders, which forced men into heterosexual monogamy, and forced women to be baby machines. This assured an endless supply of cannon fodder for the War Machine, obedient church-goers dropping money into collection plates, and wage slaves for industrialists.
MGTOW is a REBELLION against "traditional values".
I'm all for it. There are lots of men, who have NO BUSINESS AROUND WOMEN. And, I would add, there are plenty of women who amount to fates worse than death, for men.
In the rural slum where I grew up, the saying was, "The best daddies are DEAD daddies." Sadly, it was true. There was a very manipulative rehab center commercial, a couple of decades back, which showed a little girl, her face contorted with hate and anger, saying about her addict "dad", "I wish he'd just GO AWAY!". Well, that's how the kids in my slum felt about their "dads". The men were low-IQ, violent, bitter, destructive, cig-smoking, prone to drunken bouts and minor or major drug habits. They just caused trouble.
As my Great-Grandmother used to say, "Everbody'd be happier, if the menfolk just STAYED out ta tha huntin' camp, buggerin' each-other, an' left the womenfolk ALONE!"Certainly, the number of rapists, child-molesters, and wife-beaters would be reduced enormously, if more men truly DID "Go their own way" - learning to openly and actively take care of each-other's needs.
And then, there's the question of genetic desirability. Why should the average man procreate, when there are plenty of potential sperm donors out there, who are over six-foot-four, who have IQs over 150, who are blond, who have big junk, who can solve multivariable equations with ease, who do not have Male-pattern Baldness, and who possess a whole array of other desirable heritable characteristics? In a world from which evolutionary pressures have been removed, it it only logical for sub-par men to remove themselves, voluntarily, from the breeding population. In so doing, they would actually STRENGTHEN their own 'tribes' (assuming that women choose superior sperm donors from within their own 'tribes' - a big IF...).
So, yes, I am all for more "Men Going Their Own Way" - but as a COMPLEMENT TO FEMINISM, rather than a reaction against it.
Now that is one of the wackiest things I've heard in some time.
Most people having kids do not fit that "master race" level description. I think the population is moving in a different direction physically, actually.
Yes all through history there were guys who preferred to be bachelors.
The bachelors of the past more akin to "playboys". They were men who dated but didn't make any commitments. MGTOW are men who don't date at all. They are "voluntarily-celibate".
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I have no idea if they can or cant get laid but hearing the things they say about women in general I cant imagine many women would be turned on by it and want to have any type intimate relationship with them.
MGTOW thinks all women are whores who game the system to their advantage by appealing to "white-knights" who are just desperate to get laid.
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How does being married not allow a man to get things done or improve themselves? Stats show married men are healthier and live longer and earn more than single men.
I agree with you here. It is difficult to have goals and ambition, if you remove women from your life.
"Old Fashioned", in our world, means acquiescing to the system carefully crafted by military leaders and religious leaders, which forced men into heterosexual monogamy, and forced women to be baby machines. This assured an endless supply of cannon fodder for the War Machine, obedient church-goers dropping money into collection plates, and wage slaves for industrialists.
MGTOW is a REBELLION against "traditional values".
Are humans naturally monogamous? Have humans become more-monogamous or less-monogamous through their evolutionary-history? Is monogamy evolutionarily-favored? Is religion evolutionarily-favored?
MGTOW is not a rebellion against traditional values. It is a protest against the fact that women are no longer traditional, by men who want to be traditional.
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Certainly, the number of rapists, child-molesters, and wife-beaters would be reduced enormously, if more men truly DID "Go their own way" -
This would be true if men were never around women at all. But if men were never around women, there would cease to be people.
As long as men and women have to interact, to reduce the incidence of rape, molestation, and abuse. The ideal would be for children to be raised by their biological parents, surrounded by their extended-family. Biological-relatives are far less-likely to abuse each other, and far more-likely to protect each other from abuse.
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It is only logical for sub-par men to remove themselves, voluntarily, from the breeding population. In so doing, they would actually STRENGTHEN their own 'tribes'
As much as MGTOW talks about alpha males, and about women being hypergamous. When you look at the people who are actually having children, it is neither the "superior" men nor the superior women having children. Fat, ugly, stupid, lazy, and uneducated people are pumping them out daily(usually "single-mothers"). While these "superior" people often don't have any children at all.
I a not a young man but I had been married. 40+ years
No cheating no abuse, no communication. except with liberal underminers .
My wife succumbed to modern feminism and independence .
She has sense passed on.
Current women I have met only want to play or after the free lunch .
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When one goes for a job or career, do they want good pay, benefits and...even free company lunches?
Nothing wrong with wanting something from a relationship...in fact, that's a positive in my eyes.
You are, IMHO, being unrealistic about the way the world works. Despite all the marketing, Love and Relationships are really not much different than other "clubs" or "teams" where the participants take the good with the bad and realize that the balance is acceptable.
Your wife may have made a bad decision. Or, maybe you became very different despite not cheating, etc??
You don't watch Fox News by chance...or listen to Hate Radio, do you?
(just asking because I am interested in why the incompatibility)....
I know some older couples where the women would not accept that type of thing no matter what. They'd accept the guy watching porn, watching 5 hours of sports each day or most anything else...but not that.
Well, I don't see how a MGTOW guy is "an old-fashioned Male Chauvinist". "Old Fashioned", in our world, means acquiescing to the system carefully crafted by military leaders and religious leaders, which forced men into heterosexual monogamy, and forced women to be baby machines. This assured an endless supply of cannon fodder for the War Machine, obedient church-goers dropping money into collection plates, and wage slaves for industrialists.
MGTOW is a REBELLION against "traditional values".
I'm all for it. There are lots of men, who have NO BUSINESS AROUND WOMEN. And, I would add, there are plenty of women who amount to fates worse than death, for men.
In the rural slum where I grew up, the saying was, "The best daddies are DEAD daddies." Sadly, it was true. There was a very manipulative rehab center commercial, a couple of decades back, which showed a little girl, her face contorted with hate and anger, saying about her addict "dad", "I wish he'd just GO AWAY!". Well, that's how the kids in my slum felt about their "dads". The men were low-IQ, violent, bitter, destructive, cig-smoking, prone to drunken bouts and minor or major drug habits. They just caused trouble.
As my Great-Grandmother used to say, "Everbody'd be happier, if the menfolk just STAYED out ta tha huntin' camp, buggerin' each-other, an' left the womenfolk ALONE!"Certainly, the number of rapists, child-molesters, and wife-beaters would be reduced enormously, if more men truly DID "Go their own way" - learning to openly and actively take care of each-other's needs.
And then, there's the question of genetic desirability. Why should the average man procreate, when there are plenty of potential sperm donors out there, who are over six-foot-four, who have IQs over 150, who are blond, who have big junk, who can solve multivariable equations with ease, who do not have Male-pattern Baldness, and who possess a whole array of other desirable heritable characteristics? In a world from which evolutionary pressures have been removed, it it only logical for sub-par men to remove themselves, voluntarily, from the breeding population. In so doing, they would actually STRENGTHEN their own 'tribes' (assuming that women choose superior sperm donors from within their own 'tribes' - a big IF...).
So, yes, I am all for more "Men Going Their Own Way" - but as a COMPLEMENT TO FEMINISM, rather than a reaction against it.
The truth is, and you can see this everywhere, women consistently choose loser guys to procreate with. Guys that can't get off their butts to get work much less learn a trade. Guys that shack up with others because they have weak position in life. Guys that are constantly in trouble with the law etc.
Ok, sure, physically these guys are Adonises but most are losers in life. Tribes don't get strengthened by these types that can't be bothered to get a handle on their worship of funky vagina to improve their lot in life. MGTOW know their masculinity is not defined by how many women they can knock up. They don't wrap their self value around the approval of others.
Women, being ruled by their emotions generally don't have the power of introspection. There are a few exceptions. Men can use introspection to examine their lives and make changes for their own benefit. That is what MGTOW is about. The strong human males are reserving their procreative powers for a time that is more deserving of their progeny.
I agree with you here. It is difficult to have goals and ambition, if you remove women from your life.
Can you explain why, in your opinion, this is the case?
My goals, ambitions, and personal life are parallel to one another, the only time they interact is if my personal life infringes my professional life, or vice-versa.
Do women who remove men from their lives lose the ability to have goals, and ambition?
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