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Please tell me more how people on public assistance grow the economy? Circulating money doesn't grow the economy, production does. Hence, Gross Domestic Product.
Where is that public assistance money going? Into the cash register of the local vendors. How do those local vendors pay wages and buy their supplies to resell? With money in their cash register. Do banks have separate tracking systems for public assistance dollars? Do vendors only take payment that didn't come from public assistance purchases?
So tell me, does a local store with $5,000 to spend from money collected from people on public assistance benefit the economy more or less than a store w/o that $5,000?
This is something that rarely ever gets dwelled on. Our economy is based on the circulation of money & capital. There is no way around that. When spend a $1 in a store, that store is spending $.80 of that $1 in the economy to keep their store running. And their vendors spend $.80 of that $1 to keep their business running. On and on and on, throw in a few loans, and that's how our economy sustains itself and grows.
Now, remove 11M consumers from the economy, each of whom is responsible for helping to circulate $100s - $1,000s/month. What exactly are Conservatives expecting to happen?
The answer is a crash unlike anything we've ever seen, no hyperbole. You would see the immediate collapse of casual dining, agriculture, and housing industries to START with. Then the next big domino to fall would be all the local establishments that these immigrants support with their earnings -- Walmarts/CVS/Walgreens, supermarkets, real estate rentals, etc.
Then comes the same free fall we witnessed during the 08 housing crash because the economy could not keep up w/ the lack of money being circulated.
There's no question that kicking out 11M consumers would be an economic catastrophe. The only question is would Conservatives look around at the ashes of the economy, own it, and say "This is fine."
So which "Kick them all out/no-amnesty/America for Americans" voters on here will admit that they are okay with that outcome and would own it as the result of their philosophy?
I, like most Americans are willing to try your idea. Build the wall and do whatever neccessary to stem this invasion.
There is no way our economy can handle removing 11M consumers. It's a fact. We're not "dependent" on illegals. They are consumers regardless of their status and our economy grows based on consumerism. That's also a fact.
This absurd focus on needing to punish illegal immigrants is part of the reason we're even contemplating economic collapse. Do we strip drunk drivers of everything they've ever earned and force them to start from scratch in order for them to "pay" for their crime? What about murderers? What sense does it make that we need to strip everything from an illegal immigrant in order for them them to pay for breaking the law? Especially when the obvious outcome is economic catastrophe?
I wonder what is the fascination with punishing illegals yet don't hear a peep about punishing the Employers who hire them in the first place?
They wouldn't be here if there weren't jobs for them but that part of the equation gets brushed aside.
Why doesn't Trump ever talk about punishing & arresting these employers who are criminals under our laws?
Why doesn't he ever talk about E-verify?
Just vilify brown people instead and paint them as the major problem.
There is no way our economy can handle removing 11M consumers. It's a fact. We're not "dependent" on illegals. They are consumers regardless of their status and our economy grows based on consumerism. That's also a fact.
This absurd focus on needing to punish illegal immigrants is part of the reason we're even contemplating economic collapse. Do we strip drunk drivers of everything they've ever earned and force them to start from scratch in order for them to "pay" for their crime? What about murderers? What sense does it make that we need to strip everything from an illegal immigrant in order for them them to pay for breaking the law? Especially when the obvious outcome is economic catastrophe?
Do we reward the drunk drivers? Drunk drivers are actually hammered pretty hard where I come from. Second offense, especially if it involved an accident? Yeah that driver might loose everything they own. Between legal fees, fines, jail time and being sued? Yeah they are stripped of everything.
The obvious outcome of not enforcing our laws is already apparent. We get 11 million criminals, millions of anchor babies on welfare, our schools are hard pressed to provide tutors and the tax payers are forced to shoulder the burden.
What is absurd is thinking that if we reward unwanted behavior that it will serve to deter more of it.
Think about the economic hit allowing illegals has had. How many people were lowballed out of their trades by illegals and the scum that hires them? Drywallers, roofers, masons, landscapers, Hotel cleaning services, etc. Many jobs weren't top paying, but they provided enough extra income, so that American working families didn't need welfare. Those dollars no go to illegals who send billions home, out of our economy.
What will happen is as illegals are caught and deported that vacuum will be filled by legal citizens and immigrants. greedy employers will have to pay more. We have a choice. Take a hit up front or allow the illegals to continue to be a burden. Rewarding them wasn't the right answer in the 80's and certainly isn't now.
As you remove illegal immigrants, increase legal immigration.
Is this increased legal immigration of people with advanced skills in math and sciences that I've heard Conservatives say they want? In which case, we're bringing doctors and accountants from Pakistan and Nicaragua to work as bus boys in Lou Malnati's Pizza?
Or is this a new immigration plan, where we bring in low-skilled manual laborers to replace the low-skilled manual laborers we just kicked out?
I wonder what is the fascination with punishing illegals yet don't hear a peep about punishing the Employers who hire them in the first place?
They wouldn't be here if there weren't jobs for them but that part of the equation gets brushed aside.
Read my many posts about the greedy employers. We all want them hammered and hammered hard. The left tends to stand in the way of that.
Its difficult to hold employers accountable because all they really have to say is that they didn't know. There is no law requiring them to verify employee status. Make E-Verify the law of the land for all employers. Give law enforcement the tools to easily make the case. Then make the punishments have real teeth. I would also go after all landlords. Require them to use E-Verify. We have far too many greedy landlords knowingly renting to illegals. Require all schools, hospitals and Government agencies to report illegals to ICE.
The left wants to blame e this crisis on conservatives, but its been nothing but a bi-partisan partnership that caused it in the first place. Both parties are soft on illegals.
Where is that public assistance money going? Into the cash register of the local vendors. How do those local vendors pay wages and buy their supplies to resell? With money in their cash register. Do banks have separate tracking systems for public assistance dollars? Do vendors only take payment that didn't come from public assistance purchases?
So tell me, does a local store with $5,000 to spend from money collected from people on public assistance benefit the economy more or less than a store w/o that $5,000?
How did the illegals get that money? Other producers made it, the government took it and redistributed it. It's not a net increase in production. The money, once spent, would've been in the cash registers of some other vendor. Once again, people on public assistance do not grow the economy.
Do we reward the drunk drivers? Drunk drivers are actually hammered pretty hard where I come from. Second offense, especially if it involved an accident? Yeah that driver might loose everything they own. Between legal fees, fines, jail time and being sued? Yeah they are stripped of everything.
The obvious outcome of not enforcing our laws is already apparent. We get 11 million criminals, millions of anchor babies on welfare, our schools are hard pressed to provide tutors and the tax payers are forced to shoulder the burden.
What is absurd is thinking that if we reward unwanted behavior that it will serve to deter more of it.
Think about the economic hit allowing illegals has had. How many people were lowballed out of their trades by illegals and the scum that hires them? Drywallers, roofers, masons, landscapers, Hotel cleaning services, etc. Many jobs weren't top paying, but they provided enough extra income, so that American working families didn't need welfare. Those dollars no go to illegals who send billions home, out of our economy.
What will happen is as illegals are caught and deported that vacuum will be filled by legal citizens and immigrants. greedy employers will have to pay more. We have a choice. Take a hit up front or allow the illegals to continue to be a burden. Rewarding them wasn't the right answer in the 80's and certainly isn't now.
Keep at drunk driving so we don't need to color the discussion w/ slipper slope. Drunk driving is several thousand dollars at most to fulfill whatever sentence gets handed down. Even after repeated violations, the trade off is lost wages. They don't get stripped of everything they own in order to completely ruin them for breaking the law.
Again, welfare money is still money in the economy. Complaining about money being added to the economy does not make sense. That doesn't even factor in that a lot of the costs are sunk and they aren't recouped by there being less people using it ie you don't get a discount on the salary for the cafeteria team because there's no illegals at the school.
What economic hit? We're at under 4% unemployment. Who is not working that could be working?
I wonder what is the fascination with punishing illegals yet don't hear a peep about punishing the Employers who hire them in the first place?
They wouldn't be here if there weren't jobs for them but that part of the equation gets brushed aside.
Why doesn't Trump ever talk about punishing & arresting these employers who are criminals under our laws?
Why doesn't he ever talk about E-verify?
Just vilify brown people instead and paint them as the major problem.
Why do you and yours continue to repeat this garbage? A "fascination" with punishing illegals? Is it a fascination to want all law breakers punished? Since when?
Who isn't uttering a peep about the employers who hire illegal aliens? We've had thread after thread about wanting e-verify to stop them and to punish them. Where have you been? Just recently a business was raided and 280 illegals got caught. Did they use authentic looking SS numbers and ID to gain employment? Most likely. Did the employer detect it? Time will tell after the investigation. There was an employer not too long ago who served 27 years in prison for having "knowingly" hired illegal aliens and there have been several cases since then. So you were saying?
Trump has had e-verify in his last two budgets. I can only surmise that the Democrats voted it down just like they did in the past.
Villify brown people? Huh? What does the skin color of illegal aliens have to do with anything? Illegal immigration IS a major problem. Race card pulling much? You might want to stick that ethnocentric, victim card back in your wallet.
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