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We’d save so much money from these illegal immigrants leeching off our resources.
I agree in removing illegal immigrants and upping the entry of legal immigration.
And the notion to penalize employers for hiring illegal immigrants is laughable at best. That’s not going to stop them from making money. Most will turn to illegal ways to make money; drug dealing, prostitution, robbery, fraud, and the ever so popular kidnapping for ransom / which is a big problem here in AZ.
What do they have to lose? Deportation? Lmao 😂 theyll crawl right over the fence and find their way back to your community in no time/ seek refuge in a sanctuary city.
This is something that rarely ever gets dwelled on. Our economy is based on the circulation of money & capital. There is no way around that. When spend a $1 in a store, that store is spending $.80 of that $1 in the economy to keep their store running. And their vendors spend $.80 of that $1 to keep their business running. On and on and on, throw in a few loans, and that's how our economy sustains itself and grows.
Now, remove 11M consumers from the economy, each of whom is responsible for helping to circulate $100s - $1,000s/month. What exactly are Conservatives expecting to happen?
The answer is a crash unlike anything we've ever seen, no hyperbole. You would see the immediate collapse of casual dining, agriculture, and housing industries to START with. Then the next big domino to fall would be all the local establishments that these immigrants support with their earnings -- Walmarts/CVS/Walgreens, supermarkets, real estate rentals, etc.
Then comes the same free fall we witnessed during the 08 housing crash because the economy could not keep up w/ the lack of money being circulated.
There's no question that kicking out 11M consumers would be an economic catastrophe. The only question is would Conservatives look around at the ashes of the economy, own it, and say "This is fine."
So which "Kick them all out/no-amnesty/America for Americans" voters on here will admit that they are okay with that outcome and would own it as the result of their philosophy?
no! wages will go up for the lower and middle-class Americans. Why do you think corporations and the elite class allowed millions of poor, low skills and uneducated immigrants that don't speak our language stay here illegally? because they are kind and want to help every poor soul in the world or is it because of the cheap labor?
There is a reason why all the countries in the world don't allow massive illegal immigration. If it helps the economy so much like you are putting it, then every country would do it and all the countries would have open borders.
Before the Civil War, you would probably have seen similar arguments for keeping slavery legal. In a way, the motive is similar, wealthy people trying to exploit others by keeping labor as cheap as possible.
Excellent comment. And privatizing the profits while externalizing the costs (including health care and other subsidies for illegals whose wages are insufficient to pay for what they and their families consume).
The arguments aren't even remotely similar. First, this argument isn't about cheap labor. If anything, it's about finite labor. How do you replace 11M workers in manual labor industries? Raise wages?
Yes, obviously. That, and mechanize.
And "this argument" isn't an argument. It's just an assertion.
I doubt it, but who cares? In the long run, it would be an economic bonanza.
They consume more than they produce, so their absence would increase the average wealth of Americans. Who could have a problem with that?
Fuzzy math, eh?
Simple facts... They are a net benefit to the economy.
Or maybe you can tell us how you'd pay two rents and eat two dinners if there wasn't an illegal taking a job from you.
Keep at drunk driving so we don't need to color the discussion w/ slipper slope. Drunk driving is several thousand dollars at most to fulfill whatever sentence gets handed down. Even after repeated violations, the trade off is lost wages. They don't get stripped of everything they own in order to completely ruin them for breaking the law.
Neither do illegals. They don't get stripped of anything they own.
The crash of 08 blamed on immigrants? Laughable....
No, it's not laughable. It's correct, but the OP has it perfectly backward. The presence of illegals caused the crash, not their absence.
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