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View Poll Results: Do you support Sanders' pro-union stance?
Yes, labor unions are the backbone of a strong working and middle class 8 47.06%
No, this is dangerous socialism and extremism 9 52.94%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-09-2019, 06:02 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Of course not. I am just interested in having a discussion about the significance of labor unions without name calling.
We all know where you stand. You are about as interested in a discussion as Jerry Nadler! LOL
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:04 AM
 
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No you're not.

I already made a very simple, very true statement about the significance of labor unions. You chose to completely ignore it because I also mentioned your hero Bernie. And you were triggered.

If you want to comment on what I said about labor unions, do so. If you want to continue to campaign for your hero Bernie, carry on - but you'll do so in my absence.
Yes, lets talk about the significance of labor unions without name calling. Can a candidate be pro-union while swimming in bribe cash from Wall Street? Yes or no? So tell us then, which politician do you support and who are their major donors?
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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We all know where you stand. You are about as interested in a discussion as Jerry Nadler! LOL
I have yet to hear you give an answer to whats so great about moving back to the 18th century for workers. You claim workers will be liberated without labor unions, but cant come up with any examples of societies where it has been great for workers. Why is that?
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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I see this phrase being mentioned several times. Yet, labor unions is a relatively recent phenomenon. The history of the worker is the history of unorganized work. What was great about the time period before labor unions were strong? What was the labor rights back then?
Arguing your point isn't going to help you. You have only so many years on Earth----rooting for the lazy man's way
only reveals your lack of motivation.

Your employee evaluation mentions this!
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:08 AM
 
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Arguing your point isn't going to help you. You have only so many years on Earth----rooting for the lazy man's way
only reveals your lack of motivation.

Your employee evaluation mentions this!
So were workers hard working before the 1920s and then became lazy when labor unions mushroomed? Where is the proof of that? Show us some statistics that show it. Because productivity growth shows the opposite. The heyday of labor unions was the biggest period of productivity expansion in US history.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:12 AM
 
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I made a darn good living working union jobs, but the dems gave up on unions many years ago.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:19 AM
 
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I made a darn good living working union jobs, but the dems gave up on unions many years ago.
Corporate democrats sold out to Wall Street in the 1980s and just do the bidding of the billionaire class together with the GOP. Rebuilding labor unions is absolutely essential for a prosperous middle class IMO. How can we expect any politician to serve the typical worker if that politician is bribed by big corporate money? Thats why getting big money out of politics is so important. Its really a bipartisan issue.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:20 AM
 
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He's fighting for a lost cause. The suckers that follow him are generally young and clueless.
Very true, they tend to be the touchy-feely, idealistic types. Bernie resonates with them because his political views are exciting and fun to think about, rather than based in practicality, which is less sexy.

As for unions, however, I think it really depends on how well they are operated. Many in the US are not operated well -- they're often greedy and overreaching, putting the companies they represent in a predicament. Countries like Denmark and Norway have extremely high union memberships, while also retaining high living standards, and competitive economies. Their unions, on average, are also more pragmatic than the ones here in the states.

We often see examples of companies here in the US that aren't unionized and treat their employees very well, but I think it's important to understand that these are exceptions. These companies tend to have good management, and leaders with good vision. Not all companies are run with that level of quality leadership.

All that being said, with the increasing move towards globalization, unions are becoming obsolete in many ways.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:22 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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So were workers hard working before the 1920s and then became lazy when labor unions mushroomed? Where is the proof of that? Show us some statistics that show it. Because productivity growth shows the opposite. The heyday of labor unions was the biggest period of productivity expansion in US history.
OMG! Can't you see how you are being responded to? Your side has been tossed into the dumpster of history. Move along.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Loved my union when I worked.. they did lots of great things for me and thousands of others in my former company!!
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