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I cant see where I am being 'shafted'? I get all my healthcare at a fraction of the cost that you pay, my Mrs has Muscular Dystrophy and unfortunately she uses the NHS a lot (they take VERY good care of her), if I was being 'shafted' I would probably be bankrupt by now, like I would be if I was in the US. I'm guessing you don't pay tax for your police, armed services, fire brigade, teachers, road repairs etc etc etc then?
I have had private insurance for decades and I've never been close to being bankrupt.
My husband has had private insurance for decades as well, and for the last 30 years, has been treated for a fairly serious condition that requires monthly tests and doctor's visits. And nope, no bankruptcy either.
The majority of Americans like their current insurnace and are satisfied with the amount they pay.
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The truly great Tammy Bruce, one of the most insightful political commentators anywhere, used to listen to her talk show years ago which was always worthwhile.
Every time I deal with a building department I think to myself, 'this is what government run healthcare would be like, only worse
If Tammy Bruce is such an insightful political commentator why does she claim Britain has mewdicare for all, when this is simply not true.
Britain has a National Health Service, which is subdevided in to NHS England, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales and Health and Social Care for Northern Ireland, these systems are further subdevided in to locaL NHS Trust and Clinical Commisioning Groups (CCG's), the hospitals are not private and are part of a national system which is very different to medicare.
As well as the National Health System, there is a private system, and you can purchase private health insurance if you so wish, and this is usually cheaper than in the US because the NHS covers emergency and life threatening conditions.
In terms of emergency medicine, it has been reviewed in recent years and in relation to very serious trauma, the UK has developed a network of Major Trauma Centres backed up by a fleet of ar ambulances.
In terms of accident and emergency, it usually has a triage system with less serious conditions) patients being encouraged to go to their local urgent treatment centres (a network of local walk in centres) designed to take the strain off the accident and emergecy system.
The family doctor (general practitioner) system is also a good system and allows most issues to be dealt with at a local level, with some practices having an impressive array of facilities.
In terms of ambulance times, they are graded according to priority and emergency ambulance responses are generally very good in the UK.
In terms of the median waiting times in Accident and Emergency despite an increasing population and an ageing population, the average median wait is 2 hours 38 minutes. It also should be noted that in recent years there have been flu virus outbreaks, which out extra pressure on the NHS during the busy winter period and also reduce available staff due to flu.
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More detailed data1 on waiting times shows that in September 2013, the average (median) waiting time in A&E for all patients was 2 hours and 9 minutes, with 95 per cent of patients leaving A&E within 4 hours and 32 minutes. By September 2017, the median waiting time had increased to 2 hours 28 minutes, and 95 per cent of patients departed A&E within 7 hours of arrival.
Dental Care and Opticians in the UK are generally private practices on the high street and in private clinics in the UK, which is part of the problem in term of opticial care. Obviously if you are under 18, a student or on welfare or have a disability you normally don't have to pay for such services, and you can be refferred by your family doctor to a local NHS Services indeed the NHS has some very good free specialist eye hospitals and dental hospitals, Moorfields in London being one of the more famous eye hospitals and many have emergency services and walk in services.
However the rise of companies advertising laser eye surgery that removes cararacts (and improve sight) and yoy can go home the same day, at a time when the population is ageing and demand for cataract surgery has grown substantially, has seen the private sector carry out ever more surgeries, however the NHS isd also carryng out record numbers of cataract surgeries.
There have been positive moves earlier this year in terms of developing better guidance, with the Royal College of Ophthalmologists and the Clinical Council for Eye Health Commissioning both working closely together in order to provide national leadership and end the current disparity according to different areas of the country.
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Developing guidance
Moves to address this are already under way and last year the Royal College of Ophthalmologists convened the Clinical Council for Eye Health Commissioning, bringing together leading professional and patient groups “to offer united, evidence-based clinical advice and guidance to those commissioning and delivering eye health services in England on issues where national leadership is needed”.
Locally, a number of areas have developed eye care networks or forums. Dr Benjamin pointed to the eye care forum recently convened in his area. “Until we start coming together we will be working in silos,” he said.
If you get seriously ill and can't go to work you'll lose your private insurance. Then what?
People should have choices in a free marketplace, but thanks to your meddling govt (and you insistence it continue to do so) healthcare has become so exorbitantly expensive that a third party using pooled money is needed to pay the bill for all but the simplest of procedures.
Congratulations sucker.
The UK has its own mess with NHS where it forces everyone into the pool at gunpoint and then has to ration care and extend wait times due to dwindling budgets and an inadequate supply of facilities and staff.
I cant wait until the fools implement it here.
I have had private insurance for decades and I've never been close to being bankrupt.
My husband has had private insurance for decades as well, and for the last 30 years, has been treated for a fairly serious condition that requires monthly tests and doctor's visits. And nope, no bankruptcy either.
The majority of Americans like their current insurnace and are satisfied with the amount they pay.
Good for you, as long as you don't mind paying a lot more than anybody else in the developed world, do you know what Muscular Dystrophy is? Unfortunately it means that my Mrs has to have lots of checkups, Xrays, heart scans, physio etc etc, would probably cost me thousands in the US, luckily enough for us though it hasn't cost us anything extra at all, nothing, da nada. Which means we can make the best of her unfortunate situation that we can, we can continue to go on holiday and purchase suitable cars that she can drive, instead of having to sell the house and the family inheritance just to get her the treatment she needs. But of course your medical professionals will continue to tell you how 'Commie red' the NHS is so that they can continue to charge you far more than necessary, but as long as your happy.
I cant see where I am being 'shafted'? I get all my healthcare at a fraction of the cost that you pay, my Mrs has Muscular Dystrophy and unfortunately she uses the NHS a lot (they take VERY good care of her), if I was being 'shafted' I would probably be bankrupt by now, like I would be if I was in the US. I'm guessing you don't pay tax for your police, armed services, fire brigade, teachers, road repairs etc etc etc then?
You are so correct, BUT You cannot argue with these people. They have been brainwashed by the Media, their leaders and Talking heads. Most have not experienced true universal healthcare, let alone taken input from those who ACTUALLY use and experience it.
I have lived in the USA for a long time, and Canada and the UK. The US system is OK ONLY if you have GOOD sponsored Work provided Healthcare and do not need to worry about any out of pocket costs. We had that while working. We were very fortunate and had NO out of pocket. But we are well educate and had great high paying jobs. 80% of America does not.
But as a comparison to true universal healthcare, it (US HC System) falls way short. We are considering leaving, going back to the UK or Canada in retirement or some other country with decent healthcare reimbursement. You see the USA Healthcare is great, the way it is funded is out of control. Healthcare for profit as a main provider is a non starter in my books. Yes OK for addition private Top up service, but not as the sole provider. Profit will always come before service and a person's health.
Good healthcare for less cost doe not make sense to an average American, it does not make enough profit, so they do not like it. I am talking about the Providers, Leaders, Wall Street and all those who profit from it.
We are fortunate, we saved for our retirement and do not need to worry much, but most Americans live Paycheck to Paycheck. We are lucky we have choices, most Americans are not as fortunate. They think paying less taxes is better than having good healthcare, go figure.
You are so correct, BUT You cannot argue with these people. They have been brainwashed by the Media, their leaders and Talking heads. Most have not experienced true universal healthcare, let alone taken input from those who ACTUALLY use and experience it.
I have lived in the USA for a long time, and Canada and the UK. The US system is OK ONLY if you have GOOD sponsored Work provided Healthcare and do not need to worry about any out of pocket costs. We had that while working. We were very fortunate and had NO out of pocket. But we are well educate and had great high paying jobs. 80% of America does not.
But as a comparison to true universal healthcare, it (US HC System) falls way short. We are considering leaving, going back to the UK or Canada in retirement or some other country with decent healthcare reimbursement. You see the USA Healthcare is great, the way it is funded is out of control. Healthcare for profit as a main provider is a non starter in my books. Yes OK for addition private Top up service, but not as the sole provider. Profit will always come before service and a person's health.
Good healthcare for less cost doe not make sense to an average American, it does not make enough profit, so they do not like it. I am talking about the Providers, Leaders, Wall Street and all those who profit from it.
Of course the solution with you geniuses is to never open up the marketplace so competitive forces can drive pricing and innovation, but rather instituting higher taxes and fewer choices. Brilliant!
Of course the solution with you geniuses is to never open up the marketplace so competitive forces can drive pricing and innovation, but rather instituting higher taxes and fewer choices. Brilliant!
Frank, Frank, Frank, didn't we go through this before? In the UK you don't have to use the NHS if you don't want to, you can go private if you prefer - now THAT is what I call 'choices', what 'choice' do you have? You talk about competitive forces and prices being driven because of it but that is exactly what you DON'T have 'over there' and that is why your prices are only ever being 'driven' upwards!
Frank, Frank, Frank, didn't we go through this before? In the UK you don't have to use the NHS if you don't want to, you can go private if you prefer - now THAT is what I call 'choices', what 'choice' do you have?
Oh I forgot, one can opt out by shooting themselves in the head or moving to another country. Sounds perfectly reasonable
Oh I forgot, one can opt out by shooting themselves in the head or moving to another country. Sounds perfectly reasonable
Nah Frank you just 'choose' to use another health service, a private one - one that is STILL far less costly than in the US (because of the market forces you spoke about that don't exist 'over there'). Hey Frank its my understanding that as a US citizen you have to pay US tax even if you DO move to another country! Surely that can't be true!? Sounds practically Commie red to me.
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Surely that can't be true!? Sounds practically Commie red to me.
