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Old 04-25-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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& the following is not petty:

The duty of a President to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution'' to the best of his ability includes the duty not to abuse his powers or transgress their limits--not to violate the rights of citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to act in derogration of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution.

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It is useful to note three major presidential duties of broad scope
that are explicitly recited in the Constitution: ``to take Care that
the Laws be faithfully executed,'' to ``faithfully execute the Office
of President of the United States'' and to ``preserve, protect, and
defend the Constitution of the United States'' to the best of his
ability. The first is directly imposed by the Constitution; the second
and third are included in the constitutionally prescribed oath that the
President is required to take before he enters upon the execution of
his office and are, therefore, also expressly imposed by the
Constitution.

The duty to take care is affirmative. So is the duty faithfully to
execute the office. A President must carry out the obligations of his
office diligently and in good faith. The elective character and
political role of a President make it difficult to define faithful
exercise of his powers in the abstract. A President must make policy
and exercise discretion. This discretion necessarily is broad,
especially in emergency situations, but the constitutional duties of a
President impose limitations on its exercise.

The ``take care'' duty emphasizes the responsibility of a President
for the overall conduct of the executive branch, which the Constitution
vests in him alone. He must take care that the executive is so
organized and operated that this duty is performed.

The duty of a President to ``preserve, protect, and defend the
Constitution'' to the best of his ability includes the duty not to
abuse his powers or transgress their limits--not to violate the rights
of citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to
act in derogration of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution.

Not all presidential misconduct is sufficient to constitute grounds
for impeachment. There is a further requirement--substantiality. In
deciding whether this further requirement has been met, the facts must
be considered as a whole in the context of the office, not in terms of
separate or isolated events. Because impeachment of a President is a
grave step for the nation, it is to be predicated only

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upon conduct seriously incompatible with either the constitutional form
and principles of our government or the proper performance of
constitutional duties of the presidential office.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...ERS-V3-5-6.htm

 
Old 04-25-2019, 06:25 AM
 
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Former US attorney/federal prosecutor pointed out last night on MSNBC show that there is a Federal statute that makes it a criminal offense to go after Whistleblowers—
He said that Trump’s overt and persistent diatribes against Don McGahn and the switch from using McGahn’s law firm (the one he was at before and after his WH legal counsel stint) could be argued was a “punishment” for McGahn’s cooperation with Mueller’s investigation...
That switch was instigated by Trump and cost the firm money—likely millions
So an overt, undeniable “punishment” for speaking out...

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/04/trum...ely-competent/

This is an article about the woman who blew the cover off Trump’s security clearance fiasco

https://www.axios.com/white-house-wh...5b60dec88.html
I think we all know the reason the supervisor was so harsh was because of the overall climate in the WH...and likely she is waiting for her punishment for speaking out...

And not to forget—Barr, himself, has come under scrutiny for his lack of support for Whistleblower laws
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/u...e-blowers.html
 
Old 04-25-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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The Clintons have been investigated already. They have 0 indictment or charges.
"The Clintons have been investigated already"

Actually, they are being investigated NOW!

We KNOW hillary received, had, and sent CLASSIFIED materiel via he private server which IS AGAINST the law. Of course the obama admin did NOT file charges against her. What a surprise!

"They have 0 indictment or charges.", AGAINST TRUMP but, that hasn't stopped all the TDSers from claiming otherwise.

Sorry, CAN'T have it both ways!
 
Old 04-25-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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& the following is not petty:

The duty of a President to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution'' to the best of his ability includes the duty not to abuse his powers or transgress their limits--not to violate the rights of citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to act in derogration of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution.



https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...ERS-V3-5-6.htm
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The duty of a President to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution'' to the best of his ability includes the duty not to abuse his powers or transgress their limits--not to violate the rights of citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to act in derogration of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution."

I know you don't believe it BUT, he has adhered to ALL of those things.
 
Old 04-25-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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The duty of a President to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution'' to the best of his ability includes the duty not to abuse his powers or transgress their limits--not to violate the rights of citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to act in derogration of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution."

I know you don't believe it BUT, he has adhered to ALL of those things.
You're right, I don't believe it.

His most recent abuse of the power of his office was to assert executive privilege as justification for non-compliance with subpoenas.
 
Old 04-25-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"The Clintons have been investigated already"

Actually, they are being investigated NOW!

We KNOW hillary received, had, and sent CLASSIFIED materiel via he private server which IS AGAINST the law. Of course the obama admin did NOT file charges against her. What a surprise!

"They have 0 indictment or charges.", AGAINST TRUMP but, that hasn't stopped all the TDSers from claiming otherwise.

Sorry, CAN'T have it both ways!
Apparently Trump supporters have no difficulty thinking that they can always have it both ways....
You persist in viewing anything HRC has done as a criminal offense worth of prison even after GOP investigations have not found anything wrong...
Yet his minions believe Trump can do no wrong...even when he overtly supports obstruction of justice, vilifies American institutions, and stokes animosity and divisiveness among Americans and our foreign allies...
 
Old 04-25-2019, 07:45 AM
 
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https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/23...l-credibility/


7 Glaring Omissions In The Mueller Report That Kill Its Credibility

Robert Mueller’s special counsel was presented to the American public as unimpeachable. From its beginning, a distinct minority in politics and media, including several Federalist writers, were skeptical, citing the special counsel’s past prosecutorial abuses, the past alleged misconduct of its pivotal investigators, and the team’s peculiar partisan makeup.

Once in action, its seemingly limitless powers, heavy-handed usage of such powers, and more questionable if not dubious indictments, far removed from “collusion,” seemed to confirm our worst fears. While there is much within the Mueller report that further suggests this skepticism was well-founded, what is perhaps most probative is what the report omitted....
 
Old 04-25-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Thanks for reminding us about the hypocrisy of Democrats. You are correct that even though Bill Clinton was impeached, he was not convicted. The reason being that despite clear evidence that he committed perjury and obstructed justice (i.e. DNA evidence on Monica's blue dress) not a single Democrat voted to convict him of that perjury or obstruction.

If you don't care about perjury or obstruction when there is clear and compelling evidence, why do you care about possible obstruction regarding a crime (of conspiracy with Russians) that never happened.....at least involving the Trump campaign. Nothing could more clearly be a double standard.

Get out with Rush lol. Hillary has already admitted and tried to defend as somehow legitimate her involvement with Russian spies spreading disinformation via the Steele Dossier.

Her defense is she didn't use it during the campaign. Yep...…...my guess is she just made sure it got funneled to the FBI to start the whole Russian hoax. Why else does she complain the FBI wasn't telling us of their investigations during the election.

The truth will come out. Stay tuned.
It’s not hypocrisy. Why? Trump supporters want to compare the bare minimum to the maximum. Trump’s obstruction and wrongdoing is more comparable to Nixon, not Clinton. Even Trump makes Nixon look like a choir boy. Why? Trump used Russia, Oligarchs, criminals and Stormy Daniels to win a election. He lied to the American voters failing to give them the opportunity to make a fair and factual decision. Then he obstructed justice by trying to cover up dealings with a foreign adversity, paying off a porn star and playmate. We will know more once the Intelligence Committee completes their investigation. We will also be hit with more bombshells when Trump’s banks turn over financial documents to expose and confirms his financial crimes. It’s completely not on the level of lying about a affair with a intern. His supporters are grasping at straws. Clinton was a popular president before and after impeachment hearings. Trump was never a popular candidate or president. Most voters didn’t vote for him and his approval rating is at 38%. With all the investigations, you believe his approval rating will ever get over 50%? LOL. He barely won the Midwest by less than 1%. Again, the.....but Hillary, Hillary and Obama rhetoric has no credibility when compared to Trump and his decades of corruption (charities, universities, violations of campaign finances, special counsel investigations, etc in 2 years!)at all. Americans see through the failure of a presidency he holds. More Republicans have left the party because of Trump. He is destroying the party with his low approval and high crimes! But Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Info War have to make money off on their conspiracy rhetoric for pure entertainment and fear mongering.
 
Old 04-25-2019, 08:24 AM
 
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It’s not hypocrisy. Why? Trump supporters want to compare the bare minimum to the maximum. Trump’s obstruction and wrongdoing is more comparable to Nixon, not Clinton. Even Trump makes Nixon look like a choir boy. Why? Trump used Russia, Oligarchs, criminals and Stormy Daniels to win a election. He lied to the American voters failing to give them the opportunity to make a fair and factual decision. Then he obstructed justice by trying to cover up dealings with a foreign adversity, paying off a porn star and playmate. We will know more once the Intelligence Committee completes their investigation. We will also be hit with more bombshells when Trump’s banks turn over financial documents to expose and confirms his financial crimes. It’s completely not on the level of lying about a affair with a intern. His supporters are grasping at straws. Clinton was a popular president before and after impeachment hearings. Trump was never a popular candidate or president. Most voters didn’t vote for him and his approval rating is at 38%. With all the investigations, you believe his approval rating will ever get over 50%? LOL. He barely won the Midwest by less than 1%. Again, the.....but Hillary, Hillary and Obama rhetoric has no credibility when compared to Trump and his decades of corruption (charities, universities, violations of campaign finances, special counsel investigations, etc in 2 years!)at all. Americans see through the failure of a presidency he holds. More Republicans have left the party because of Trump. He is destroying the party with his low approval and high crimes! But Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Info War have to make money off on their conspiracy rhetoric for pure entertainment and fear mongering.
Okay, Schiff, if you have proof where is it? We haven't seen any proof of any of that.
 
Old 04-25-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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Okay, Schiff, if you have proof where is it? We haven't seen any proof of any of that.
Read the report. As for Daniels, Cohen is going to jail for actions directed by the president. SDNY still lists him as Individual 1, a unindicted co conspirator. So much scandal and corruption it’s easy to forget the basic facts.
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