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Well, Americans pay MORE for their health care both out of pocket and as a country, and get lower health outcomes.
Because Americans are less heathy. See how that works?
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Originally Posted by silverkris
It's not Canadians who are not facing the truth. Look in the mirror.
Canadas healthcare is not very efficient and costly. That Americas is worse still means Canadas healthcare is costly and inefficient. That you think otherwise is a reflection on your inability to face the truth.
There are many, many more American citizens who want a healthcare system similar to what the Canadians and Brits have. A majority in the US now support a Medicare for All scenario.
It's kind of funny in a way; by demonizing the ACA (originally a conservative idea) the conservatives have all but ensured the rise of a socialized healthcare system in the US. Had the idiot Republicans had the foresight to embrace the ACA as the capitalist solution it is and help make it work, no one would be clamoring for socialized medicine.
But on the bright side; we'll be better off with the Medicare for All model. It's what we wanted all along.
ACA has never been a conservative idea and that you think so is laughable.
Medicare for all doesn't work because of the sky high costs.. Even the progressives who run California understood that and voted it down.
I don't think you have a clear understanding of this topic. I'm not the military expert, but even I know there is no credible military power in Europe west of Moscow. And the Russians have nukes, lots of them. As for Canada, its military is on par with that of the island of Taiwan.
How is that for propaganda...
Enjoy your high taxes.
I am a very proficient armchair General. Myself living next door to Russia, I know a full blown Russian assault on Western Europe, would ground to a burning wreckage before they even reached Germany!!
And then Nukes might start flying..
Europe is paying for a defensive force... the US is paying for an offensive force to fight Russia in Europe and the Chinese in China, across two oceans, transporting them, supplying them, and reinforcing them at the same time.
My taxes where 38% this year.. My wife who earns 3X more then me paid 41%..
That covers my end of the costs to live in my country.. costs that dozens of elections with Conservative and Liberal governments for over 200 years has shaped our national conscience of how we want to live and treat each other.
Those 38% of taxes, paid for 8 years of University for myself, a lifetime of healthcare, cheap medication.
Add your medical insurance you and your employer pays, copays, deductibles to you yearly tax.. and what is your tax rate?
You have a college loan? Add that as well... If you are older then 50.. That won't be much.. but 20-40 year olds are paying insane amounts these days in the US.. add that to their tax rates.
I haven't read through this entire thread but I have spent quite a bit of time in Canada (working for a Canadian company). I think back on what one of my Canadian friends told me: Canada is a pretty good place to be dying, a pretty good place if you are healthy, in between....not so good! His main complaints dealt with wait times. In comparison, my son recently had hip replacement. The time from diagnosis to replacement was only a few weeks. That would not happen in Canada.
I don't think you have a clear understanding of this topic. I'm not the military expert, but even I know there is no credible military power in Europe west of Moscow. And the Russians have nukes, lots of them. As for Canada, its military is on par with that of the island of Taiwan.
Enjoy you high healthcare insurance premiums, your co-pays and your deductibles not to mention denials of payment and bankruptcies that no Canadian is similarly burdened with.
You keep yours and we'll keep ours ...easy peazy, eh?
About 2 years ago. Did California pass Medicare for all?
"In a statement, Rendon said the bill was “woefully incomplete” because it did not address serious issues such as “financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation.” Rendon was echoing the main objection that the bill’s detractors—many of them Democrats—have made: that single-payer is too expensive." https://newrepublic.com/article/1436...yer-california
"A single-payer healthcare system in California — a galvanizing cause among the state's progressive flank — would cost $400 billion annually, according to a legislative analysis released on Monday." https://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...htmlstory.html
and "The state’s estimates pegged the cost at $400 billion per year, twice the state’s budget. An outside report commissioned by an advocacy group rejected the estimates of the nonpartisan legislative office, concluding that the plan would cost a mere $331 billion.
Enjoy you high healthcare insurance premiums, your co-pays and your deductibles not to mention denials of payment and bankruptcies that no Canadian is similarly burdened with.
This has already been responded to. Read the thread first. You might learn something. And yes, please stay north of the border.
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