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It's complicated. Owing to the division of federal/provincial powers as outlined in our Constitution and caselaw, some things are dealt with federally and some things provincially. As a lawyer who has studied our Constitution and understands these things, and who has argued in front of HR tribunals before, I can see how and why Mike Ward was dealt with at the provincial level. But it would take too long to explain and is a digression from the subject of this thread.
I will say that Ward always has to right to appeal the decision into a real court (all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada, if he wants), where it can be argued by real lawyers in front of a real judge. An HR tribunal's decision doesn't have quite the power of a court behind it.
Most people in Quebec disagree with the Ward ruling, which is under appeal right now.
You don't need to promote hatred or violence to be charged, check the link I provided. Promoting hatred is very open to interpretation and as the law stands there is no freedom of speech in Canada.
I think it has to do with the topic as Canada's laws in general, and America's laws in general are a reflection of their respective cultures and approaches to rights and freedom. Universal healthcare seems appropriate in a country where the motto is "Peace, Order, and Good Government". As opposed to Life and Liberty.
"For instance, threats of violence are constitutionally unprotected. That includes all threats–racist threats, threats to police officers, threats to business owners, threats to the President, anyone.
Likewise, intentionally inciting immediate violence is sometimes punishable. Classic example: Giving a speech to a mob outside a building, urging them to burn it down. But again, it doesn't matter if the speech is outside a synagogue, a police station, or a recycling center.
Personal insults said to someone's face might also be punishable, as so-called "fighting words."
Again, though, that's true regardless of whether the insults stem from personal hostility or group hatred related to race, religion, and the like."
Gee; remarkably similar and indeed one might even say MORE RESTRICTIVE especially when considering two teens spending months in jail for having done less than the law in Canada demands as a threshold.
Taken in context with the lady losing her job for merely giving the Presidential motorcade the finger and you can readily see why U.S. freedom of expression laws are less protective of individual freedoms than Canada's
You don't need to promote hatred or violence to be charged, check the link I provided. Promoting hatred is very open to interpretation and as the law stands there is no freedom of speech in Canada.
I think it has to do with the topic as Canada's laws in general, and America's laws in general are a reflection of their respective cultures and approaches to rights and freedom. Universal healthcare seems appropriate in a country where the motto is "Peace, Order, and Good Government". As opposed to Life and Liberty.
He was charged for promoting hate.
Remember he wasn't targeting an individual but a whole identifiable group.
The courts decide if it's warranted.
UHC exists in many countries where the mindset is different in each one.
The only difference is that the governments haven't been bought by lobbyists, and the people convinced that democratic socialism is bad...except for public school, police, fire departments etc
...but here's the thing. Your argument falls apart because the majority of Americans are seriously looking at UHC options. They see UHC as way to achieve " life and liberty " that they currently do not have.
I asked in an earlier post, "why do you ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer?"
I've not received any answers.
Possibly because your question sounded very rhetorical, and you didn't even use a question mark, unlike this post, where you did. It also wasn't directed at anyone in particular. If you were asking the OP, it might have helped if you directed it at them.
...but here's the thing. Your argument falls apart because the majority of Americans are seriously looking at UHC options. They see UHC as way to achieve " life and liberty " that they currently do not have.
Absolutely. That's why Trump won I'm sure, since he promised to abolish the ACA. Right ?
Essential government services have nothing to do with socialism because we all need roads, cops and firemen. What we don't need is the government selling us services we never wanted and redistributing people's money. As I said earlier, Canadians have no understanding of what freedom means and your posts defending hate speech laws proves it once again.
Or maybe they are simply happy with their current plan, which has probably already been monkeyed around enough with since ACA was implemented, and are reluctant to switch to a single-payer plan that will ensure longer wait times for care. That alone is reason enough for people to have a valid opinion on the matter, whether others like it or not.
Dec 2018 Gallup poll says 80% of Americans are happy with the quality of their coverage, and 69% rate the quality as excellent or good. America actually has more happy health insurance consumers than people wish to acknowledge.
I really can't anymore... study after study flat out rejects the claims about long waiting times. You know what, have your 'great' healthcare system where millions go uninsured and tens of thousands die due to lack of access. I really do not care. Conservative Americans are some of the thickest, insular and selfish people I've ever come across. Luckily, the left in the US is gaining momentum. Have fun with your future pres. Sanders, he's gonna be great
I really can't anymore... study after study flat out rejects the claims about long waiting times. You know what, have your 'great' healthcare system where millions go uninsured and tens of thousands die due to lack of access. I really do not care. Conservative Americans are some of the thickest, insular and selfish people I've ever come across. Luckily, the left in the US is gaining momentum. Have fun with your future pres. Sanders, he's gonna be great
See this? Someone else shaming me for spending my money on a product and service that I am happy with and daring to comment on to that effect.
Absolutely. That's why Trump won I'm sure, since he promised to abolish the ACA. Right ?
Essential government services have nothing to do with socialism because we all need roads, cops and firemen. What we don't need is the government selling us services we never wanted and redistributing people's money. As I said earlier, Canadians have no understanding of what freedom means and your posts defending hate speech laws proves it once again.
Really hard to take anyone seriously who can state with a straight face that Canadians have no understanding of freedom.
As for healthcare, other countries, including Canada have figured out that healthcare is an essential service, like roads etc. Taxes are about supporting services for the common good.
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