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Old 04-22-2019, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Greenwald is right, the Russians were interested in helping Trump and Hillary had the same kind of help that Trump had from a British spy, the Ukrainians, and the Russians. Both colluded with foreign governments under the guise of opposition research.
WRONG. Both did NOT collude. Trump did, but since the cooperation was by individual parties and not "two or more" as defined by Mueller, these actions do not rise to cooperation or conspiracy - which you would know if you have read even the first several pages of the Mueller Report wherein he states:
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We understood coordination to require an agreement - tacit or express - between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests.

We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

Intro. Vol. 1, p. 2., Mueller Report,
Further, Hillary paid for her report - PAID oppo research, perfectly legal and above-board.

Trump did not pay. Trump had covert and surreptitious help from the Russians. Big difference.

Don't opine on Mueller Report based on a skewed article without having read the underlying document.

You can download a searchable version, here:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/0...er-report-pdf/

Again, these issues have been beat to death here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...controversies/

and on the last few pages, here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ats-oh-my.html
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:39 PM
 
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Further, Hillary paid for her report - PAID oppo research, perfectly legal and above-board.

Trump did not pay. Trump had covert and surreptitious help from the Russians. Big difference.
your posts get more clueless by the day. So if Trump paid the Russians to get oppo research on Hillary that would be ok for you? .......Hillary pays for oppo research for Ukraine and Russia on Trump and his team and that's ok because she paid for it.....LMAO!
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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WRONG. Both did NOT collude. Trump did, but since the cooperation was by individual parties and not "two or more" as defined by Mueller, these actions do not rise to cooperation or conspiracy - which you would know if you have read even the first several pages of the Mueller Report wherein he states: Further, Hillary paid for her report - PAID oppo research, perfectly legal and above-board.

Trump did not pay. Trump had covert and surreptitious help from the Russians. Big difference.

Don't opine on Mueller Report based on a skewed article without having read the underlying document.

You can download a searchable version, here:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/0...er-report-pdf/

Again, these issues have been beat to death here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...controversies/

and on the last few pages, here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ats-oh-my.html
What ever words Mueller used it came to the conclusion " that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities'.

Is that your smoking gun?
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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your posts get more clueless by the day. So if Trump paid the Russians to get oppo research on Hillary that would be ok for you? .......Hillary pays for oppo research for Ukraine and Russia on Trump and his team and that's ok because she paid for it.....LMAO!
Thanks I was going to say the exact thing.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:43 PM
 
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The Russian Conspiracy Issue has only just begun. There are multiple investigations that have sprung from this first one.
No, there aren't.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:46 PM
 
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There's no point in explaining because you are twisting my words around. Greenwald is wrong on quite a few things including claims that Trump is not beholden to Putin (just look at the Helsinki press conference to debunk that) and that there was nothing in the report. What Mueller REALLY found was there was not substantiated proof that Trump and his team had substantiated contact with the Russians. Greenwald swept under the rug about the Trump tower meeting. According to the Fact Check Media Bias entry for The Intercept while left-leaning, Greenwald in particular has been against the Trump-Russia investigation since the beginning. I find it hard to believe someone saying that there was nothing there when they were against it all along.
Exactly. The last person you should believe is the one who's been proven right.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:50 PM
 
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Further, Hillary paid for her report - PAID oppo research, perfectly legal and above-board.

Trump did not pay. Trump had covert and surreptitious help from the Russians. Big difference.l
That might be the stupidest thing I've ever read.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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The lack of any charges related to collusion between Trump campaign members and Russians is a defacto exoneration, and this regardless of whatever bitter harping Mueller's angry Democrats may have included in the report for their own therapeutic benefit.

It all comes down to put up or shut up.
Exactly, put up or shut up. If the Trump campaign is indeed innocent of conspiracy, then give Congress the full unredacted Mueller report. Congress is the only body that can hold a president accountable. Per policy, Mueller can not indict a sitting president. So let Congress do it's job. If Trump is innocent he should encourage Congress to do what we the people voted them in to do. I still want to know why Manafort shared internal polling data with the Russian's. Until the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth comes out, there will still be a dark cloud hanging over Trump. All I see is more deflection, games and obstruction by Trump and his toadies.
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