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Old 05-13-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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And man has nothing to do with it ...
How toxic chemicals are causing miscarriages, stillbirths and other health problems


"Exposure to toxic environmental chemicals during pregnancy and breastfeeding is ubiquitous and is a threat to healthy human reproduction," the report states.

The piece was written by a team of physicians and scientists from the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada, including from the World Health Organisation.

It was published in the International Journal of Gynecology and Obstetrics ahead of a global conference on women's health issues next week in Vancouver, British Columbia.

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You do know that we are in the sixth mass extinction and it's man made right? We have screwed up this planet's environment so bad that neither man nor beast can survive in it.

God didn't do this, people did.
I can agree with all of this^^^. Seems the pro-life crowd is going after the wrong culprit. They should be protesting against companies that produce toxic chemicals.
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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Republicans don't care one iota about fetuses or children. Republicans are the puppets of the elites and big business needs a constant flow of debt slaves to survive.

These so-called religious republicans want to ban abortion while at the same time cutting financial aid to the poorest people and especially their children. These fake christians don't mind forcing a woman to bear a child but when it comes to providing for that child these republicans turn their backs. Many of these children denied medical care are born drug addicted and/or in poor health. They suffer from poor nutrition and when of school age they can't afford clothes or school supplies. In my area the teachers provide lunches for their students during summer recess because the families of these children cannot afford to feed them properly. Many of these children will grow up in circumstances that push them to do drugs or commit crimes. The elites have an answer for that too called prisons for profit. Debt slaves or prison slaves, the republicans, conservatives, and big business will profit and all in the name of righteousness.
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Are they doing away with all the abortion clinics? I think not. wth?

This is true, but even young new immigrants are not having babies either ... just so you know.

What part of Darwinism did you not get? Abortion clinics are for the poor women, so they won't have more poor babies. Only the best, the brightest and the wealthiest will survive; providing abortion for women makes sure of it ...


Abortion Is a Common Experience for U.S. Women, Despite Dramatic Declines in Rates

Abortion is increasingly concentrated among poor women, as well as, women of color, in 2014 black women had the highest abortion rate. You know why upper middle class don't have a problem terminating a pregnancy right? They can afford to have the child and send the child to the best colleges.

They are not doing away with all the abortion clinics. Poor people will still be able to terminate their pregnancies as the wealthy politicians will make sure of it, I'm sure. The government has been in the business of population control since day one, from sterilization of Native American women to providing abortions for those who can't seem to figure it out. Just because a few laws are changing ... doesn't mean those [leopard] spots have changed.
The point is that they are eliminating clinics, abortions will still occur. They are just inconveniencing poor women and making their lives more dangerous and difficult. Maybe the pro life people should address abortions at hospitals.


If you didn't know theses red states are attempting to close all abortion clinics then you haven't been paying attention, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas have done everything they could to close clinics. If not for the intervention of the courts they would be gone.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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abortion laws were to criminalize a specific PROCEDUREWhat would make even sort of some kind of vague sense to me, is if , via the medical channels, rather than the moralistic, "life begins at conception" thing that isn't really that comprehensively logical when it's examined.

So what I mean, is that I could maybe get behind having the pill-based form of abortion available, which is a thing you cannot do past 10 weeks. There's a very specific time limit, and past that, it's not safe or effective or...well, it's just not done. So you ban the more invasive form of the procedure that becomes necessary to terminate pregnancy later...UNLESS it is a situation where there is medical certification that the baby is not viable and/or the mother's life is in danger. With documented proof thereof.

But those who think that a 5-6 week old EMBRYO (it's not a fetus, technically, until later, like 9-11 weeks) is a human life to the extent that it should be criminal for it to be allowed to die, without every possible effort made to keep it alive...

Are you familiar with the practices of in-vitro fertilization clinics? And what are your thoughts on that? They either destroy outright, or donate to science which entails destruction during or after research projects, MILLIONS of fertilized embryos. They do it all the time.

Are you also crusading to save all of those microscopic proto-babies?

Seriously I cannot get behind the notion of being as passionate to save the life of something less sentient than your average insect, just because it could POTENTIALLY be a human one day. Every sperm and egg could potentially become 50% of some possible person. I don't care. And pro lifers are gonna need to demonstrate a lot more compassion about babies and children who are actually born into the world and living in hardship, before I'm gonna buy that it's all about the sanctity and sacredness of human life.
In order to ban the PROCEDURE, you would have to ban D & C's, how would that work?

And I am glad you brought up IVF.....something pro-lifers never want to talk about.

The personhood laws pro-lifers would like to put in place would effectively put an end to IVF....no more mixing up a batch of embryos and cherry picking the best of the bunch to implant. {Isn't that the same as aborting disabled fetuses? Don't less than perfect embryos have a right to life? }
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Speaking of D & C's.............

Something I don't understand.....if doctors can do D & C's in their office, why can't they also do abortions in their office? Why the need for clinics?

A D & C is more invasive than an aspiration abortion. Scraping the inside of the uterus with a sharp instrument vs aspiration.

So, why can't abortions be done in doctor's offices just like other gynecological procedures that are just as invasive?
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:01 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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The point is that they are eliminating clinics, abortions will still occur. They are just inconveniencing poor women and making their lives more dangerous and difficult. Maybe the pro life people should address abortions at hospitals.


If you didn't know theses red states are attempting to close all abortion clinics then you haven't been paying attention, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas have done everything they could to close clinics. If not for the intervention of the courts they would be gone.
The point is --- poor women will continue to be able to abort their babies, always. The wealthy were never, ever very good at sharing resources necessary for people to live.

Role of abortion in control of global population growth.

"No nation desirous of reducing its growth rate to 1% or less can expect to do so without the widespread use of abortion. This observational study, based on the experience of 116 of the world's largest countries, supports the contention that abortion is essential to any national population growth control effort. The principal findings are: Except for a few countries with ageing populations and very high contraceptive prevalence rates, developed countries will need to maintain abortion rates generally in the range of 201-500 abortions per 1000 live births if they are to maintain growth rates at levels below 1%. The current rate in the USA is 426 abortions per 1000 live births."


That in bold is not the u.s. Even though the birth rate has declined below replacement levels, immigration keeps the u.s. from having a population problem, however ... it will be interesting for me anyway to keep up with how the tide turns ...
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If not for the intervention of the courts they would be gone.

What did I say ... ?


The right to abort was never about women's reproductive rights. Believing it is, is the first mistake. If you think men really give a chit about women and their babies, I've got some swamp land to sell ...
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The point is --- poor women will continue to be able to abort their babies, always. The wealthy were never, ever very good at sharing resources necessary for people to live.

Role of abortion in control of global population growth.

"No nation desirous of reducing its growth rate to 1% or less can expect to do so without the widespread use of abortion. This observational study, based on the experience of 116 of the world's largest countries, supports the contention that abortion is essential to any national population growth control effort. The principal findings are: Except for a few countries with ageing populations and very high contraceptive prevalence rates, developed countries will need to maintain abortion rates generally in the range of 201-500 abortions per 1000 live births if they are to maintain growth rates at levels below 1%. The current rate in the USA is 426 abortions per 1000 live births."


That in bold is not the u.s. Even though the birth rate has declined below replacement levels, immigration keeps the u.s. from having a population problem, however ... it will be interesting for me anyway to keep up with how the tide turns ...

What did I say ... ?


The right to abort was never about women's reproductive rights. Believing it is, is the first mistake. If you think men really give a chit about women and their babies, I've got some swamp land to sell ...
Poor women should be able to have safe abortions, just like women of means.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Poor women should be able to have safe abortions, just like women of means.
As well as, women of color ...

Abortion and Population Control

“The African-American community needs to be warned about the effect that abortion is having upon them,” Rev Hunter said. “The racial targeting of minorities must stop.”


If only Hitler had thought of it ...
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Republicans don't care one iota about fetuses or children. Republicans are the puppets of the elites and big business needs a constant flow of debt slaves to survive.

These so-called religious republicans want to ban abortion while at the same time cutting financial aid to the poorest people and especially their children. These fake christians don't mind forcing a woman to bear a child but when it comes to providing for that child these republicans turn their backs. Many of these children denied medical care are born drug addicted and/or in poor health. They suffer from poor nutrition and when of school age they can't afford clothes or school supplies. In my area the teachers provide lunches for their students during summer recess because the families of these children cannot afford to feed them properly. Many of these children will grow up in circumstances that push them to do drugs or commit crimes. The elites have an answer for that too called prisons for profit. Debt slaves or prison slaves, the republicans, conservatives, and big business will profit and all in the name of righteousness.
So true. Republicans are still fighting not to allow more Medicaid as offered to states by ObamaCare in that still don't have it. Those states that can are turning to the petition route to try to bypass the Republican Legislatures.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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As well as, women of color ...

Abortion and Population Control

“The African-American community needs to be warned about the effect that abortion is having upon them,” Rev Hunter said. “The racial targeting of minorities must stop.”


If only Hitler had thought of it ...
Black women are just as capable of deciding whether they want to terminate a pregnancy as white women, are you suggesting they aren't?

One of the main reasons for poverty is having more children than you can afford. Making it harder for black women to access BC and abortion is a plan to keep them poor, heaven forbid they are given a chance to move up in the world.

Blacks must not be allowed to break the cycle of poverty, they must be kept in their place, right?

How about pro-lifers worry about the fact that black women are 3 to 4 times more likely to die of childbirth complications than white women instead of using them as pawns to push their anti-choice agenda?
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