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Old 06-01-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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And you are trying to make women the only class of people who can be forced to risk their life and health to save the life of another.
Nope. If the woman's life is at risk, she needs to be treated. End of story. Epic fail post on your part.

Care to address the fact that pregnant women are allowed to kill, but if someone else does it, it's murder?
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:06 AM
 
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Nope. If the woman's life is at risk, she needs to be treated. End of story. Epic fail post on your part.
Pregnancy is dangerous. Carrying a pregnancy to term results in death of the women involved every day. According to the CDC 50,000 women a year suffer serious consequences, including permanent harm to their health and even death.

https://www.propublica.org/article/s...n-be-prevented

No human should be forced to face that sort of risk in order to save another person's life.

You have no right to force a woman to die because you value the life of a fetus more than her. That makes you a murder based on your definitions. Your action, making laws that force her to carry a pregnancy to term, will kill women. And be honest, you are willing to sentence some number of women to die to save their fetuses right?


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Care to address the fact that pregnant women are allowed to kill, but if someone else does it, it's murder?
Everyone is allowed to protect their own life, even at the cost of another. This is a basic tenet of law. If you are on a boat, and it sinks and there is one life jacket, you can take it and use rather than give it to the other person, even if they die as a direct result.

Abortion is the same thing. A woman has the right to value her life over her fetus' life.
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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because it's not a medical procedure.

name a medical procedure where the goal is to kill someone.
The procedure SAVES THE LIFE of the mother! Are you able open up your mind and be capable of critical thinking or are you totally brain-washed by religious doctrine or politics?
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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Why is the person in this video playing with dolls?

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Intact dilation and extraction (IDX, intact D&E) is a surgical procedure that removes an intact fetus from the uterus.

In 2000, although only 0.17% of all abortions in the United States were performed using this procedure.

Patients who are experiencing a miscarriage or who have fetuses diagnosed with severe congenital anomalies may prefer an intact procedure to allow for viewing of the remains, grieving, and achieving closure. In cases where an autopsy is requested, an intact procedure allows for a more complete examination of the remains. An intact D&E is also used in abortions to minimize instruments introduced into the uterus, therefore reducing the risk of trauma. It also reduces the risk of cervical lacerations that may be caused by the removal of bony parts from the uterus, or retention of any fetal parts in the uterus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact...and_extraction
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Nope. If the woman's life is at risk, she needs to be treated. End of story. Epic fail post on your part.

Care to address the fact that pregnant women are allowed to kill, but if someone else does it, it's murder?
How should the woman, whose life is at risk from a pregnancy, be treated? Are you a medical doctor?
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:42 AM
 
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Nope. If the woman's life is at risk, she needs to be treated. End of story. Epic fail post on your part.

Care to address the fact that pregnant women are allowed to kill, but if someone else does it, it's murder?
Treated with abortion if that’s the way to save her life or left to die resulting in the death of the fetus as well? What person thinks losing 2 lives is better than losing 1 when a dire medical issue happens? If you are for life, as you claim, how do you reconcile that?

If a woman kills a baby (hint, it’s not a baby until it’s born) then she’s subject to being charged with murder just like everyone else. If she has an legal abortion under the laws of her state, she’s not.
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Pregnancy is dangerous. Carrying a pregnancy to term results in death of the women involved every day. According to the CDC 50,000 women a year suffer serious consequences, including permanent harm to their health and even death.

https://www.propublica.org/article/s...n-be-prevented

No human should be forced to face that sort of risk in order to save another person's life.

You have no right to force a woman to die because you value the life of a fetus more than her. That makes you a murder based on your definitions. Your action, making laws that force her to carry a pregnancy to term, will kill women. And be honest, you are willing to sentence some number of women to die to save their fetuses right?

Everyone is allowed to protect their own life, even at the cost of another. This is a basic tenet of law. If you are on a boat, and it sinks and there is one life jacket, you can take it and use rather than give it to the other person, even if they die as a direct result.

Abortion is the same thing. A woman has the right to value her life over her fetus' life.
Completely illogical --and misleading -- post that fails to answer the question:

Why are pregnant women allowed to kill, but if anyone else does the same act, it's murder?

PS> Did you miss the part where I said: If the woman's life is at risk, then treat her? Yep you did. /shrug/
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Completely illogical --and misleading -- post that fails to answer the question:

Why are pregnant women allowed to kill, but if anyone else does the same act, it's murder?

PS> Did you miss the part where I said: If the woman's life is at risk, then treat her? Yep you did. /shrug/
Why wasn't abortion banned in the bible if it's murder? But adultery most certainly was banned and punishable by death. But some fanatics think an embryo is much more sacred and important to the country than people being true to their marriage partners.
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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Why wasn't abortion banned in the bible if it's murder? But adultery most certainly was banned and punishable by death. But some fanatics think an embryo is much more sacred and important to the country than people being true to their marriage partners.
Are you religious? Maybe ask your bible study class or your pastor.
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Are you religious? Maybe ask your bible study class or your pastor.
No, I'm not religious.
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