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Old 01-05-2020, 11:38 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The Iranian army will invade the US by flying in on commercial airlines.

All righty then........
Well people do say they all look the same. They get off, others get back on to replace them and no one notices the change. Try to remember how easy it was to fly around the US before 9/11 with no security checks at all. While at the same time Europe was doing security checks for decades before 9/11. Do you really think the TSA or border control actually makes a difference?
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Old 01-05-2020, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The average person in Iran has a very different view to that of the regime in charge.

Mayhar Tousi, is from an Iranian family who fled from Iran to Britain, and has family still in Iran, and he is a succesful youtuber. His analysis is very different to those left wing liberals going on marches.

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Old 01-05-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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The average person in Iran has a very different view to that of the regime in charge.

Mayhar Tousi, is from an Iranian family who fled from Iran to Britain, and has family still in Iran, and he is a succesful youtuber. His analysis is very different to those left wing liberals going on marches.

You must know that those kinds of folks were present aplenty in Iraq when Saddam was tossed. So what say you now?

How did that currency get used at all and of what import was it in the final analysis. Iraqi's are now going to be as they have been for at least 20 years ….. collateral damage.

Iranians would love them some good old 1978 freedom back :

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/16/i...g-clerics.html

And look where this all started - https://mek-iran.com/meks-history/

Imagine that; a group of well educated engineers desiring to bring democracy and separation of religion and state to their country AFTER THE US usurped their democratically elected leader and installed a despotic puppet dictator in his place. IMAGINE THAT and yes I'm shouting.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:16 PM
 
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That's exactly how I see this as well. Trump has triggered international turmoil in the ME to distract his people from his corrupt actions with Ukraine. Trump has stated that he, like other terrorists, intends to commit war crimes. I doubt that his people will understand that threatening to destroy 52 cultural heritage sites is a war crime.
The 3rd century neanderthal mentality that rules Iran only understands one language: violence and threats of violence. Trump is simply speaking their language. If they value their cultural sites, and their lives, they will respond relatively quietly. State sponsored radical theocracies cannot be allowed to spread their cancerous mentality outside their borders.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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You must know that those kinds of folks were present aplenty in Iraq when Saddam was tossed. So what say you now?

How did that currency get used at all and of what import was it in the final analysis. Iraqi's are now going to be as they have been for at least 20 years ….. collateral damage.

Iranians would love them some good old 1978 freedom back :

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/16/i...g-clerics.html

And look where this all started - https://mek-iran.com/meks-history/

Imagine that; a group of well educated engineers desiring to bring democracy and separation of religion and state to their country AFTER THE US usurped their democratically elected leader and installed a despotic puppet dictator in his place. IMAGINE THAT and yes I'm shouting.
I am more than aware of what an evil dictator Saddam Hussein was, just as I am aware that Qassem Soleimani was evil and killed many of hs own people and that he also plotted against the west, helped launch terrorist attacks and attacks that killed US forces. Soleimani got what he deserved in the end, IMAGINE THAT.

In terms of the middle east, there is a lot of sectarian hatred between Sunni and Sharia, and other groups and dictators have risen in the past without the help of the West.

Iraqi's are not going to be collateral damage, and unless Iran strikes back then no damage will be done, however should the regime strike back then the US already has strategic targets that can be hit.

Iran is a second rate military power and a third rate economic power, it's only real threat is in relation to certain terrorist groups that it's linked to and supports.

As for the narrative painted by the current despotic regfime it's very different to that of the average person in Iran or Iraq, many of whom have no time for the current Iranian regime.

If the Iranians want to overthrow the current regime then that's up to them.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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More evidence of the similarities of the American left to Iranian terrorists.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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The 3rd century neanderthal mentality that rules Iran only understands one language: violence and threats of violence. Trump is simply speaking their language. If they value their cultural sites, and their lives, they will respond relatively quietly. State sponsored radical theocracies cannot be allowed to spread their cancerous mentality outside their borders.
NATO countries do not have the option to threaten to destroy cultural heritage sites. Threats alone place them on equal footing with neanderthals.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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When Trump authorized the strike that killed the Iranian officers, it took everybody by surprise, Iran probably most of all. And now Trump has a 52-target hit list.

I think that many in power in Iran are now genuinely scared of Trump because they don't know what he'll do next. He's obviously not afraid of using force. Now Iran is compelled to save face by doing some sort of retaliation - but what? They don't want to step too far out, so maybe something like a cyber attack would be a plausible response.

Iran inthe past has maintained that the US didn't have the stomach for such a direct action. Guess they'll have to re-evaluate.
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Old 01-05-2020, 01:05 PM
 
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When Trump authorized the strike that killed the Iranian officers, it took everybody by surprise, Iran probably most of all. And now Trump has a 52-target hit list.

I think that many in power in Iran are now genuinely scared of Trump because they don't know what he'll do next. He's obviously not afraid of using force. Now Iran is compelled to save face by doing some sort of retaliation - but what? They don't want to step too far out, so maybe something like a cyber attack would be a plausible response.

Iran inthe past has maintained that the US didn't have the stomach for such a direct action. Guess they'll have to re-evaluate.
On the other thread I mentioned something in regards to this.

This strike has put Iran in a corner. If they do nothing, they will look extremely weak, especially to domestic enemies, thus putting in danger the regime. And mind you, not every domestic enemy is a friend of the US, some may be very blood thirsty. If they do something, it has to be dramatic, not a cyber warfare thing, or some distant in Africa proxy attack, but by doing that, they risk even more retaliation and again, more pressure from domestic enemies as a result of escalated attacks by the US.

Unlike in earlier times, like with Praying Mantis, Iran cannot control the information now days like back then, so there is no ability to spout out BS to the population, nor to other officials in the regime. If the US wipes out Iran's navy, they cannot broadcast some fake BS about how they did this and that back at the US and now the US is scared.
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Old 01-05-2020, 04:50 PM
 
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You must know that those kinds of folks were present aplenty in Iraq when Saddam was tossed. So what say you now?

How did that currency get used at all and of what import was it in the final analysis. Iraqi's are now going to be as they have been for at least 20 years ….. collateral damage.

Iranians would love them some good old 1978 freedom back :

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/16/i...g-clerics.html

And look where this all started - https://mek-iran.com/meks-history/

Imagine that; a group of well educated engineers desiring to bring democracy and separation of religion and state to their country AFTER THE US usurped their democratically elected leader and installed a despotic puppet dictator in his place. IMAGINE THAT and yes I'm shouting.
In 1978, the Ayatollah was exiled in France and was sending out broadcasts to topple the Shah's regime. He promised free and fair elections and said that an Islamic Republic was never on the table. Upon the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty he established what is now known as the Islamic Republic of Iran. The breakdown in relationships didn't happen until the US decided to allow the Shah and his family to enter it's territory for medical treatment. That's what triggered the hostage crisis.

As for your 1953 coup, it most certainly didn't play out the way you portray it. Mohammed Reza Pahlavi came to power in 1941 following an Anglo-Soviet coup that deposed his father and forced him into exile. It was the Shah who appointed Mossadegh as prime minister. He tried to usurp the power of the Shah and nationalized the oil industry.
The British were not happy about that at all as they had huge investments in Iran, so they asked the US for help in restoring the Shah to power. This was done at the behest of his twin sister Ashraf Pahlavi who played a huge role in the coup.

BTW, in case you're wondering, I'm not saying that this was in any ways right, but it's important to have a perspective of the whole situation.

The Iranian regime is simply using these events to play with people's emotions because they realized that they ran out of useful things. One of Khomeini's trusted advisers and a pivotal figure during the 1979 revolution slammed the government for authorizing the embassy takeover.
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