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You then re-installed the Shah and his CIA trained dreaded Savak secret police to remain the authoritarian and tyrannical leader subjecting the Iranians to anything but democracy for decades.
You're in this mess today because of THAT very specific action!
Gads; are there that many of you immune from any factual history and getting all your foreign policy information from the likes of Clint Eastwood films?
A bit more recent, the US Navy shot down an Iranian airliner, killing 290 civilians (and the US is still complaining about KAL 007).
NATO countries do not have the option to threaten to destroy cultural heritage sites. Threats alone place them on equal footing with neanderthals.
I really don’t give a rats azz about NATO pronouncements regarding what we can threaten or the United Leftist Nations pronouncements on politically correct international behavior.
The 3rd Century Theocracy that we are dealing with needs to know exactly what it stands to lose from continuing exportation of its backward savage ideology. They operate internally on irrationalism, mysticism, threats, and violence. They need to expect us to operate with their rules, and threatening specific buildings and locations is exactly the right approach. If this were a normal country of free and civilized human beings, it would be a different conversation. But of course, it’s nothing approaching that.
Let’s not forget that this hellhole has capital punishment for blasphemy and apostacy. If you don’t believe the god they tell you to, or none at all, you die. And let’s not forget that the goal of war is to kill people and break things. So Trump is just once again speaking their native tongue: violence and tyranny. It’s what they do. It’s their raison d’etre. It’s how they roll. They should know that all their buildings are grist for our mill should they continue attempting to export their internal insanity.
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Cadet Bone Spurs wants a war with Iran prior to the elections because he thinks it will help him. I hope Iran is too smart for that BS and I hope the American people have woken up to that garbage as well.
Obama promised more flexibility with Putin's Russia prior to his election then Crimea was invaded by Vlad see you weren't too smart for Barry's BS either
Cadet Bone Spurs wants a war with Iran prior to the elections because he thinks it will help him. I hope Iran is too smart for that BS and I hope the American people have woken up to that garbage as well.
Trump may be facing the reality of how unpopular he is and think that having a major war would be his only chance to remain in power. We should never underestimate the depth of his willingness to sacrifice others to serve his own interests.
I really don’t give a rats azz about NATO pronouncements regarding what we can threaten or the United Leftist Nations pronouncements on politically correct international behavior.
The 3rd Century Theocracy that we are dealing with needs to know exactly what it stands to lose from continuing exportation of its backward savage ideology. They operate internally on irrationalism, mysticism, threats, and violence. They need to expect us to operate with their rules, and threatening specific buildings and locations is exactly the right approach. If this were a normal country of free and civilized human beings, it would be a different conversation. But of course, it’s nothing approaching that.
Let’s not forget that this hellhole has capital punishment for blasphemy and apostacy. If you don’t believe the god they tell you to, or none at all, you die. And let’s not forget that the goal of war is to kill people and break things. So Trump is just once again speaking their native tongue: violence and tyranny. It’s what they do. It’s their raison d’etre. It’s how they roll. They should know that all their buildings are grist for our mill should they continue attempting to export their internal insanity.
Only a small fraction of the people of Iran fit the description you have given. Most of them are no more responsible for the atrocities their leaders commit, than the good people of the U. S. are responsible for what Trump does.
We should have taken care of this problem in 1979/1980. The Democrat didn't do anything and neither did the Republican that followed. We laid the ground work for being a paper tiger and we've been paying for it ever since.
Taken care of the problem HOW? We were the problem in ‘79-‘80. Not them. What were we gonna do? What are you advocating? That we should’ve sent troops into Iran and stopped the Iranian people from bringing on their revolution by killing Khomeini?
Perish the thought. There would’ve been American BLOOD in the streets of Tehran if we’d touched even the tiniest hair on Khomeini’s head. They would’ve killed all the hostages taken. What are their lives worth to you? And the United States would’ve been mired in an insurgency that would’ve lasted for years on end with American troops coming home in more coffins that you can imagine.
We’re not paying for inaction in ‘79, we’re paying for our ACTIONS in 1953 when we overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah on behalf of the British. That act alone set the stage for every problem the United States has had in the Middle East, and not just with Iran. A direct line can be drawn from that act to even 9/11.
You’re right about one thing: it’s now too late. It ain’t about being a paper tiger though. We’re simply unable to do anything about Iran regardless. The Iraq War proved that we’re feckless in the Middle East, and the Iranians now know that we can’t hack a long war and huge casualties. And frankly, I’m happy that we can’t hack it. Otherwise, we’d be in perpetual long wars...something that you’d approve of I’m sure.
I really don’t give a rats azz about NATO pronouncements regarding what we can threaten or the United Leftist Nations pronouncements on politically correct international behavior.
The 3rd Century Theocracy that we are dealing with needs to know exactly what it stands to lose from continuing exportation of its backward savage ideology. They operate internally on irrationalism, mysticism, threats, and violence. They need to expect us to operate with their rules, and threatening specific buildings and locations is exactly the right approach. If this were a normal country of free and civilized human beings, it would be a different conversation. But of course, it’s nothing approaching that.
Let’s not forget that this hellhole has capital punishment for blasphemy and apostacy. If you don’t believe the god they tell you to, or none at all, you die. And let’s not forget that the goal of war is to kill people and break things. So Trump is just once again speaking their native tongue: violence and tyranny. It’s what they do. It’s their raison d’etre. It’s how they roll. They should know that all their buildings are grist for our mill should they continue attempting to export their internal insanity.
And yet, the US is in bed with an even worse 3rd century theocracy. It's better to be a Christian in Iran than in Saudi Arabia.
In 1978, the Ayatollah was exiled in France and was sending out broadcasts to topple the Shah's regime. He promised free and fair elections and said that an Islamic Republic was never on the table. Upon the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty he established what is now known as the Islamic Republic of Iran. The breakdown in relationships didn't happen until the US decided to allow the Shah and his family to enter it's territory for medical treatment. That's what triggered the hostage crisis.
As for your 1953 coup, it most certainly didn't play out the way you portray it. Mohammed Reza Pahlavi came to power in 1941 following an Anglo-Soviet coup that deposed his father and forced him into exile. It was the Shah who appointed Mossadegh as prime minister. He tried to usurp the power of the Shah and nationalized the oil industry.
The British were not happy about that at all as they had huge investments in Iran, so they asked the US for help in restoring the Shah to power. This was done at the behest of his twin sister Ashraf Pahlavi who played a huge role in the coup.
BTW, in case you're wondering, I'm not saying that this was in any ways right, but it's important to have a perspective of the whole situation.
The Iranian regime is simply using these events to play with people's emotions because they realized that they ran out of useful things. One of Khomeini's trusted advisers and a pivotal figure during the 1979 revolution slammed the government for authorizing the embassy takeover.
Nothing you said should make Iranians any less angry with American involvement in Mossadegh's assassination.
The thing you seem to miss is that the Iranians had a right to determine who their leadership should be without US and English interference.
The salient fact is that the US has been screwing with Iran for 70 years. Nothing Iran has done to the US has happened beyond their own backyard.
Iranians don't come to the US to commit acts of terror. Saudis do that.
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