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Old 05-07-2019, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Reparations? Get another full time job instead. Plenty of jobs available, 168 hours in a week, work 80 of them if 40 hours doesn't pay for your lifestyle.

 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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Don’t you love how you one tells on themselves merely by their posts? How do you know blacks do t work hard at education?
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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We have been writing articles, interviewing economists, and have a conference coming up in October. We have Marianne Williamson coming to that conference, and trying to get Cornel West. Of course other than Marianne, all the 2020 candidates are also welcome to come and make their case to black America in why we should vote for them. We're doing real work, along with our advocacy on social media. We are taking that data and breaking down a picture of black life here in America. Laying out the case for reparations. No other organization or movement has done this to the degree we're doing it.
I just find that most of these movements are looking for robots. And that’s what most supporters of these movements sound like. You can agree with them in five things but the moment you DISagree one ONE, you’re a traitor. An enemy. Just makes no sense.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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We have been writing articles, interviewing economists, and have a conference coming up in October. We have Marianne Williamson coming to that conference, and trying to get Cornel West. Of course other than Marianne, all the 2020 candidates are also welcome to come and make their case to black America in why we should vote for them. We're doing real work, along with our advocacy on social media. We are taking that data and breaking down a picture of black life here in America. Laying out the case for reparations. No other organization or movement has done this to the degree we're doing it.

I applaud your effort and agree with the spirit of efforts, even though I am pessimistic that it would or could ever come to fruition in a nation that is, still, pretty much racist. I think, however, that the conversation NEEDS to be had as the conversation will EXPLAIN our current condition by linking it to our past conditions.



I think that it is very important, in competition, to know why you are doing badly. If you compete in sports and you keep ending up in last place, as a team or individual, you risk seeing yourselves as "losers" and "inferior". Consequently, that inner self image or belief has the nocebo effect, which is the opposite of the placebo effect. In other words, you will do worse because you believe you are worse.



In light of that, black people need to be kept aware, in this competition of life, that the game was rigged against them by the system of white supremacy and hence, created a culturally and economically inheritable disadvantage. It's akin to a relay race. Each new generation gets passed the baton from where the previous generation left off. In other words, they inherit any displacement that the previous runner had. Civil Rights did not "restart" the relay, making all "teams" start equal, it just passed a law that essentially meant that made it against the rule to start new races unequally, however, the race WE ARE IN, had been started hundreds of years ago and the unfairness resulted in large gaps between OUR TEAM and the others.



The ADOS movement is a good way to keep the present linked to the past, as the present is the creation and summation of the past. Without this national introspection on the conditions that black people endured, the nation is left to see the black displacement as the result of the inner failings of blacks. In other words, the nature of blacks. Not only will the nation see it that way.....but so will black people. This is why the story MUST be told and ADOS, the movement, can get that story told.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Don’t you love how you one tells on themselves merely by their posts? How do you know blacks do t work hard at education?
do your research....

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...y-report-finds
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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People overall are ditching the university for trade school. Quicker finish and more likely to find a decent paying job. Plus less debt.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Reparations are just plain stupid! None of us alive today had anything to do with a long ago past. Next the Ameridians will be seeking reparations for some supposed stolen land and the Mexicans for the same reasons. The past is over, wars were fought and lands have exchanged hands throughout history. Get over it!
1. American Indians already have that.

2. Slavery ended 155 years ago but Jim Crow(as law) and Housing Discrimination(legally) ended only 40 years ago.

Plenty of people are still alive from 40 years ago.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The ADOS movement is something isn't it? It started to distinguish black descendants of slaves from foreign black people. I get it. There's some truth to the movement, such as foreign blacks wanting to jump on the struggle that ADOS endured and only wanting to unite when it's convenient for them (some nationalities more than others). That said, my critique of this movement comes is the same for most other "pro-black" movements. The minute you disagree with them about anything (it could be something as minor as the color of the sky), you are a "sell out." Like most movements of this sort, they get hijacked.

Where do you stand on this movement?

How do you feel about reparations?

Have you faced discrimination from Black immigrants as an ADOS individual?

Do you think that there's some legitimacy to this movement or do you feel that this is just another divide and conquer tactic?

Look forward to hearing from you.
Reparations are a non starter due to the fact it would super complicated to dole out the payments. Would mixed race descendants of slaves get a lower payment? The discrimination and violence blacks endured in the United States was a terrible injustice. However I can't get behind any reparations payments what needs to happen is better investments in infrastructure and education as well as making sure black Americans are not discriminated against in the job market. So far I think we have done a pretty good job of it so far.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Reparations are a non starter due to the fact it would super complicated to dole out the payments. Would mixed race descendants of slaves get a lower payment? The discrimination and violence blacks endured in the United States was a terrible injustice. However I can't get behind any reparations payments what needs to happen is better investments in infrastructure and education as well as making sure black Americans are not discriminated against in the job market. So far I think we have done a pretty good job of it so far.

Reparations are a non starter for the same reason there is something that needs to be repaired....and that is the collective will of white Americans. It's not a non starter due to any difficulty in determining who will benefit. Whites who are against it will come up with any excuse that does not make it seem like they are racist. It's not that hard to figure out....and besides...who says it will take the form of checks to every individual ADOS?



You think America is doing a pretty good job....with black poverty 3 times that of whites, with black wealth 15 times less than whites (much of wealth being in home ownership and value), black unemployment twice that of whites and numerous other socioeconomic vital indicators lagging for blacks. That's doing a pretty good job? Please....and spare me the "single parent" family obfuscation. That is a "symptom" of the damage caused to black people....not the creator of it. However, that seems to be the favorite deflection from the the ravages of racial oppression and to put it on the "choices blacks are making". Why would we be inclined to make choices different from whites if we were not in a different situation? Hence, its not the different choices, its the different situations.
 
Old 05-07-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Reparations are a non starter for the same reason there is something that needs to be repaired....and that is the collective will of white Americans. It's not a non starter due to any difficulty in determining who will benefit. Whites who are against it will come up with any excuse that does not make it seem like they are racist. It's not that hard to figure out....and besides...who says it will take the form of checks to every individual ADOS?



You think America is doing a pretty good job....with black poverty 3 times that of whites, with black wealth 15 times less than whites (much of wealth being in home ownership and value), black unemployment twice that of whites and numerous other socioeconomic vital indicators lagging for blacks. That's doing a pretty good job? Please....and spare me the "single parent" family obfuscation. That is a "symptom" of the damage caused to black people....not the creator of it. However, that seems to be the favorite deflection from the the ravages of racial oppression and to put it on the "choices blacks are making". Why would we be inclined to make choices different from whites if we were not in a different situation? Hence, its not the different choices, its the different situations.
The amount in reparations would be in the trillions for the pain and suffering. Its a non starter. A better way to tackle black poverty would be things like universal healthcare and UBI.
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