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Old 04-30-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: California
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I like how people only believe those who's ideas align with their own even when faced with evidence, or lack of.
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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1) Don't confuse political fallout to criminal. Trump has the constitutional powers to fired anybody in the executive branch or make them quit. If that's obstruction then every President would be charged with obstruction when they apply their prosecutorial discretion in every investigation and every case in the DOJ and somebody below them disagrees. ...
False equivalence.

Trump does have the authority to fire (for competency, ethics violations, philosophical differences etc), but if the reason he does so is to interfere with an investigation then it is obstruction of justice. Trump was on fairly safe ground until he told Lester Holt and the Russian ambassador his reason for removing Comey.

Put another way: You have the right to drive a car, you can start it and turn it and stop it at your pleasure ... but if the reason you do so is to intentionally run down a pedestrian then saying you have a 'right to drive' will not clear you from responsibility for an injury.
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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This is true. It is a mistake to try to convert hard core Trump supporters and the sycophantic minions by arguing with them, or by presenting facts and truths. There are far fewer of them than Donald and company believe and count. Let them say what they want, and patriotic Americans can focus on supporters of democracy, and decency and sweep this despicable autocrat out of the WH.
As time goes on it will be harder and harder for Trump to hold onto his base, because it requires ever more extreme gyrations for them to support his incompetent Administration. Sure there will be a few, mostly relegated to anonymous backwater internet forums like this one. If you notice there are VERY few left who are willing out come out in public in defense of Trump. It's one thing to post some crackpot theory or bizarre partisan gobbledygook on a forum like this or on Twitter - it's another deal entirely to expose that foolishness in public.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Fox’s in house Judge is not buying the Attorney-General’s legal arguments on obstruction.

Not. At. All.

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The nearly universal view of law enforcement, however, is that the obstruction statute prohibits all attempted self-serving interference with government investigations or proceedings. Thus, as Georgetown Professor Neal Katyal recently pointed out, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted of obstruction for interfering with an investigation of his extramarital affair, even though the affair was lawful.
The professor is wrong.

Kilpatrick was convicted under Michigan State statutes, not federal statutes.

There's a difference between State and federal statutes and apparently the Georgetown University professor is too damn stupid to figure that out, or he's intentionally spewing propaganda and disinformation.

Also, the obstruction charge did not stem from the affair, rather it stemmed from the fact that Kilpatrick committed perjury under Michigan State law, for which he was also convicted.

The "esteemed" professor is wrong further still, because the perjury charges were levied due to the fact that Kilpatrick perjured himself in a civil lawsuit filed in Michigan State court.

Kilpatrick fired his bodyguard and the police chief.

The bodyguard and the police chief then filed a lawsuit in Michigan State civil court under a Michigan statute for whistle-blowers.

The jury awarded the bodyguard and police chief $Millions in damages.

Kilpatrick threatened to appeal, but as soon as he discovered there was evidence to convict him and his lover of perjury for the false statements they made in their depositions and during the trial, he attempted to settle the lawsuit and then use a non-disclosure agreement to hide the fact that he and his lover had committed perjury and he was using city tax-payer money in the settlement.

So, that lying sack of **** Georgetown professor needs to be fired.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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if Trump wanted to stop the Mueller investigation he had constitutional powers to fired him and end it. It was a hoax. NO American was charged of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. Mueller doesn't outrank the President in the executive branch.....try again.


Now lets apply the same standards to Obama:





https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top...dministration/

that's just a few.......try again or stick your head in the sand.
I was hoping Trump would fire Muller that would be just one more piece of obstruction people would of called him on. More then likely Trump was talked out of it by someone with a real HUGE brain.

Have a less biased new source?
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I was hoping Trump would fire Muller that would be just one more piece of obstruction people would of called him on. More then likely Trump was talked out of it by someone with a real HUGE brain.

Have a less biased new source?
Or he ordered someone to fire Mueller who simply refused (Don McGahn).
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