Temple University Mumps outbreak & Measles quarantines issued at UCLA & CAL State (regular, compared)
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So do you think people who are coming here from the border are up to date on their vaccines? I would think the poor countries they are coming from have no vaccine programs. I know it's not PC to talk about that though.
What are they doing with people who come here without the measles vaccine? Let them catch it now that we have an epidemic of it? It will never be controlled if they don't give vaccines to them.
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Originally Posted by Kracer
Millions of unvaccinated people illegally enter the us and all we hear are Hasidic jews are the source.
Look at the CDC website and see that measles is prevalent in south and central America. Look at the map of measles outbreak in the states. Pure coincidence the west coast and southeast are implicated along with other illegal sanctuaries.
Amazing how rabid health authorities are about getting vaccinated and yet somehow the millions of unchecked illegals from locations where measles occur, are ignored. It is as if there were no press. Of course any mention of measles coming across the border would rate you a xenophobe and racist.
While the sources of outbreak may vary, the contribution of unvaccinated illegals is totally ignored.
Politics trumps health.
These posts have been responded to, but I want to add: https://www.cato.org/blog/migrant-ca...cination-rates "Perhaps members of the migrant caravan have lower vaccination rates than their fellow countrymen or they are carrying other serious contagions that cannot be vaccinated against. But for most of these illnesses below, you have more to fear from your fellow Americans than from Central Americans."
Keep in mind the Cato Institute is a very conservative organization.
The outbreaks so far have all been started by US citizens who were exposed to measles abroad and brought it back. "Patient Zero" in the LA outbreak has not been reported.
“Former Merck Scientists Sue Merck Alleging MMR Vaccine Efficacy Fraud
Stephen A. Krahling and Joan A. Wlochowski, former Merck virologists blew the whistle by filing a qui tam action lawsuit — U.S. v Merck & Co. — in August 2010. The scientists allege that the efficacy tests for the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine (MMR) were faked. The document was unsealed in June, 2012.
This is a major federal case alleging fraud in vaccine testing; it encapsulates how medical research can be manipulated to achieve desired results, and why it may be wise to question the integrity and the validity of “science-based medicine.”
The suit charges that Merck knew its measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine was less effective than the purported 95% level, and it alleges that senior management was aware and also oversaw testing that concealed the actual effectiveness. According to the lawsuit, Merck began a sham testing program in the late 1990’s to hide the declining efficacy of the vaccine. The objective of the fraudulent trials was to “report efficacy of 95% or higher regardless of the vaccine’s true efficacy.””
Do what you feel is best for you. Sitting around blaming anti-vaxxers though is really ignorant.
If the person who was traveling had been vaccinated and still caught the virus, then it is still a problem when there are so many unvaccinated people to spread it to. There is a small percentage of those vaccinated that may still get measles. For them, the case will likely be less severe--but if they encounter unvaccinated people, it will spread.
It's the fault of anti-vaxxers because the disease spreads faster and further the more people who get infected. It's not rocket science!
So do you think people who are coming here from the border are up to date on their vaccines? I would think the poor countries they are coming from have no vaccine programs. I know it's not PC to talk about that though.
What are they doing with people who come here without the measles vaccine? Let them catch it now that we have an epidemic of it? It will never be controlled if they don't give vaccines to them.
They are coming from countries that often have higher vax rates than the US.
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Originally Posted by Kracer
Millions of unvaccinated people illegally enter the us and all we hear are Hasidic jews are the source.
Look at the CDC website and see that measles is prevalent in south and central America. Look at the map of measles outbreak in the states. Pure coincidence the west coast and southeast are implicated along with other illegal sanctuaries.
Amazing how rabid health authorities are about getting vaccinated and yet somehow the millions of unchecked illegals from locations where measles occur, are ignored. It is as if there were no press. Of course any mention of measles coming across the border would rate you a xenophobe and racist.
While the sources of outbreak may vary, the contribution of unvaccinated illegals is totally ignored.
Politics trumps health.
Central America does vaccinate.
Measles in Costa Rica in an American family exposed to an imported case. None were vaccinated
Mexico, one imported unvaccinated case who had been to France and the US
Note that Belize, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua have not reported cases.
The South American cases are related to the economic situation in Venezuela and dramatic drop in vaccination rates.
Where are the "millions of unchecked illegals from locations where measles occur" coming from? It seems Central America has more to fear from Americans than we do from their citizens.
Don’t know about the college stats but do know that in one family household, one person brought the measles home with them and all but one of the family members.
Search FB.
How about you provide a link to the nurse's story. It is strange that it would not result in a single Google hit.
“Former Merck Scientists Sue Merck Alleging MMR Vaccine Efficacy Fraud
Stephen A. Krahling and Joan A. Wlochowski, former Merck virologists blew the whistle by filing a qui tam action lawsuit — U.S. v Merck & Co. — in August 2010. The scientists allege that the efficacy tests for the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine (MMR) were faked. The document was unsealed in June, 2012.
This is a major federal case alleging fraud in vaccine testing; it encapsulates how medical research can be manipulated to achieve desired results, and why it may be wise to question the integrity and the validity of “science-based medicine.”
The suit charges that Merck knew its measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine was less effective than the purported 95% level, and it alleges that senior management was aware and also oversaw testing that concealed the actual effectiveness. According to the lawsuit, Merck began a sham testing program in the late 1990’s to hide the declining efficacy of the vaccine. The objective of the fraudulent trials was to “report efficacy of 95% or higher regardless of the vaccine’s true efficacy.””
The claim has been going on for almost nine years and has gotten nowhere. Perhaps you should not allege fraud until after fraud is confirmed. The case is an argument over testing methods.
Look at the dates in those immunization boxes. Look at the recommendation vaccinations boxes; far more than required. Under each of those required Measles boxes there is also an "OR". What does Or mean? Religious Exemption? Age? The only mandates for a Titer is in the Schools of Medicine.
Primary Care Provider Signature???? I could not have given them that in 1996, before, since, or now. My daughter went with me at same time. She could comply with that, but I couldn't. Hey, my daughter's Doc, sign this for me even though I am not your patient, and don't want to be?
Well, at least today there are Online University degrees. I would have needed that by today's standards. Keep the unvaccinated out of college too, right Suzy?
BTW, there is another term going around in addition to your "anti-vaxxer". EX-vaxxer. Raising my hand.
How about you provide a link to the nurse's story. It is strange that it would not result in a single Google hit.
Not strange at all. Search FB, not google. I don’t believe that links to FB or other SM sites are allowed here, hence, why I won’t share the link. You have enough info to search if you want to watch it and if you don’t then stop asking me about it.
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The claim has been going on for almost nine years and has gotten nowhere. Perhaps you should not allege fraud until after fraud is confirmed. The case is an argument over testing methods.
It’s been tied up in the court system for nine years because Merck has not been cooperative. Maybe it wouldn’t be taking so long if they would just cooperate. The allegations are of fraud and faking efficacy of the mumps component fo the MMR vaccine. Why would I pretend that those are not the allegations involved in this court case? And how can anyone ignore this in the face of what is happening?
Not strange at all. Search FB, not google. I don’t believe that links to FB or other SM sites are allowed here, hence, why I won’t share the link. You have enough info to search if you want to watch it and if you don’t then stop asking me about it.
It’s been tied up in the court system for nine years because Merck has not been cooperative. Maybe it wouldn’t be taking so long if they would just cooperate. The allegations are of fraud and faking efficacy of the mumps component fo the MMR vaccine. Why would I pretend that those are not the allegations involved in this court case? And how can anyone ignore this in the face of what is happening?
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Yes, and this information is available on the Net. Only "anti-vax" sites? Pharm sites have info on this. Different view ("poor" Merck), but it is still available for the public to make their own judgment.
Look at the dates in those immunization boxes. Look at the recommendation vaccinations boxes; far more than required. Under each of those required Measles boxes there is also an "OR". What does Or mean? Religious Exemption? Age? The only mandates for a Titer is in the Schools of Medicine.
Primary Care Provider Signature???? I could not have given them that in 1996, before, since, or now. My daughter went with me at same time. She could comply with that, but I couldn't. Hey, my daughter's Doc, sign this for me even though I am not your patient, and don't want to be?
Well, at least today there are Online University degrees. I would have needed that by today's standards. Keep the unvaccinated out of college too, right Suzy?
BTW, there is another term going around in addition to your "anti-vaxxer". EX-vaxxer. Raising my hand.
Yes, adults should be up to date on vaccines, too. I guess it is a good thing you are not planning to go to college.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
Not strange at all. Search FB, not google. I don’t believe that links to FB or other SM sites are allowed here, hence, why I won’t share the link. You have enough info to search if you want to watch it and if you don’t then stop asking me about it.
Still no luck. Do you have the name right?
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It’s been tied up in the court system for nine years because Merck has not been cooperative. Maybe it wouldn’t be taking so long if they would just cooperate. The allegations are of fraud and faking efficacy of the mumps component fo the MMR vaccine. Why would I pretend that those are not the allegations involved in this court case? And how can anyone ignore this in the face of what is happening?
See the link I provided. The plaintiffs are still generating motions. It's not all on Merck.
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Originally Posted by Jo48
This one is for Suzy Q and "idiots in New York" and after CA "it would spread across the nation".
Not an elimination of Non-Medical Exemptions but requiring parents must go in person to the Board of Health for a "lecture".
Other states are trying to toughen requirements for exemptions. When enough vaccinating citizens get tired of paying to control outbreaks it will happen.
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Originally Posted by Jo48
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Yes, and this information is available on the Net. Only "anti-vax" sites? Pharm sites have info on this. Different view ("poor" Merck), but it is still available for the public to make their own judgment.
No fraud has been proven yet. The government has declined to support the suit.
If you were on trial would you like your guilt or innocence decided by people on the internet who do not have the facts of your case?
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Yes, and this information is available on the Net. Only "anti-vax" sites? Pharm sites have info on this. Different view ("poor" Merck), but it is still available for the public to make their own judgment.