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It actually is a serious problem that there are financially marginal people who can't make modest bail sitting in jail, waiting months and months due to an over-capacity court system, as then even if they're found not guilty or the case is dropped, they often come out having lost their jobs, housing, custody of children, etc, which further burdens the system. This sort of program has value. But if I were in charge of it, it'd definitely be limited to those charged with non-violent crimes.
I agree, there are plenty of people that run afoul of the law due to petty crimes and they get stuck in the system and what this program offers is good for them but this loser was a violent offender that beat up a woman. She did the right thing in calling the Police. Imagine the fear she must have felt when the guy showed back up at her house and then started beating her.
It is great to help disadvantaged people but they have to be careful who they give bail money to.
There is a reason why people get arrested and some of them should never see the light of day.
You folks have some proof that this guy could not have made bail eventually by himself or through relatives?
If the guy was an obvious threat to the lady I would think it up to the prosecutor and court to see that he does not get free or at least for not a minimal bail.
The other way would require that the non-profit evaluate the danger of the individual. No indication they have the skills to do that.
Shameful, on part of both the court and the Bail Project. How many more women (and men) have to die or be severely injured before domestic violence is taken seriously?
The other way would require that the non-profit evaluate the danger of the individual. No indication they have the skills to do that.
Now we may disagree with one another as to whether they should make bail for violent offenders but let's not be coy that somehow it was too difficult to find someone that can read the charges filed against them.
They chose in their charter to make bail for violent offenders, again we can disagree about their charter but they absolutely knew that they were bailing out spouse abusers etc. and made a conscious decision to do so.
Now we may disagree with one another as to whether they should make bail for violent offenders but let's not be coy that somehow it was too difficult to find someone that can read the charges filed against them.
They chose in their charter to make bail for violent offenders, again we can disagree about their charter but they absolutely knew that they were bailing out spouse abusers etc. and made a conscious decision to do so.
Alleged spouse abuser. And that of course is the rub. The prosecutors and the court decided the guy was bailable. And you want the non-profit to decide that was not true. Again I doubt their expertise to make that decision particularly after the judicial process decided he could be released for a rather small sum to guarantee his appearance.
Another example of ignoring crimes against women....or seeing them as inconsequential. I think any domestic abuser, man or women, should always be considered dangerous. They never stop abusing...they just change partners on occasion.
What is is about abusive men that makes them so darn attractive to women that they're never not in a relationship? There are plenty of good men who don't hurt women... what gives?
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81
Shameful, on part of both the court and the Bail Project. How many more women (and men) have to die or be severely injured before domestic violence is taken seriously?
It would probably be taken more seriously if people stopped choosing, of their own free will mind you, abusive partners.
You touch the stove once and it burns you, okay, you're new to this, you learned a lesson. Continuing to stand near the stove and continuing to burn yourself... that's on you.
It would probably be taken more seriously if people stopped choosing, of their own free will mind you, abusive partners.
You touch the stove once and it burns you, okay, you're new to this, you learned a lesson. Continuing to stand near the stove and continuing to burn yourself... that's on you.
This is a really simplistic view. You don't know someone's abusive until they start being abusive, and by then your life is often enmeshed in a way that makes it difficult to extricate yourself. Abusers are often very good at manipulation, undermining a partner's independence in both practical and psychological ways.
Additionally, it's quite dangerous to leave an abusive partner. People killed by partners, statistically, are most often killed when separating or recently after having left. People who are afraid to leave an abusive partner have real cause to be afraid.
Obviously the abused partner does need to figure out ways around this, even if it's risky or difficult, and find a way out, hopefully with community support. But blaming the victim, rather than the abuser, for perpetuating the situation is absurd. The abused person has to take difficult and risky action to stop the abuse, and even then their safety is not guaranteed. The abuser only has to stop.
Alleged spouse abuser. And that of course is the rub. The prosecutors and the court decided the guy was bailable. And you want the non-profit to decide that was not true. Again I doubt their expertise to make that decision particularly after the judicial process decided he could be released for a rather small sum to guarantee his appearance.
So, you're telling me that as long as there is bail available that a decision to help someone get out on bail is equally safe and responsible because the courts decided it's *ok*. Fair enough, I'll provide a factual and respectful rebuttal.
They need to put some rules in place. - no violence - nothing hurting kids- period -
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