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Old 05-06-2019, 06:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Damn straight! True blue Americans will rather pay $100 in health care premiums than $50 in taxes, because freedumb!
That is because it will be much more than that ratio. It doesn't matter who, or where the single payer system is at, it all revolves around those that are successful pay for those that aren't.


I couldn't find anything on the new Bern plan so went off of the one he proposed the first time he ran.


It is a 6.2% payroll tax that gets charged to the employers. So, do you really think they are going to absorb that ? Hell no, everyone will be getting a 6.2% reduction in pay.


For the wife and I , that roughly a $10k paycut.


Now his plan proposed a 2.2% income based premium.


For the wife and I, that adds an additional $3800 to our taxes. That alone isn't all that bad. Couple that with the $10k paycut and it starts to add up. $13800 for "free" healthcare. Her and I currently pay out of pocket for ours, $8k with a $6k (it might be $7500) deductible.
And we are at the low end of the middle class. What is it going to be like for those that are in the middle / middle or upper. Or in that next tier up ?


There really aren't any great solutions that are fair for everyone. Of all the current systems in place around the world, the Canadian one seems to be the most fair I guess.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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It may have been mentioned in this thread but you left out the most important fact of all.......

It's why we have the 2nd amendment and why they are where they are today, throwing rocks at soldiers with rifles while they starve.

IN 2012 Venezuela bans private ownership and then around 2014 confiscated all firearms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
The article does not state that at all, nor did it happen. Try using the real truth.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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No I don’t. I have no health insurance. I pay cash for whatever I need. And don’t go into that song and dance about catastrophic health issues. I have none.

Therefore I pay for me and only me.
Yet.
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