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Old 05-16-2019, 05:35 AM
 
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Nobody wants a war with Iran or Iraq.
Bolton does. And he is one of the few is still totally unapologetic about the Iraq war. And Bolton has Trump's ear.

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This could be an attempt by Trump to bring us to the brink of war, then all of a sudden, put on his peacemaker hat, and try to make us think he's all about negotiations and peace.
No the only way for a POTUS to really boost favorability numbers is war. Trump did the song and dance with North Korea and it did not do much for his numbers. Its all about getting reelected. And war, especially one where we bomb the other country into the dark ages and suffer few casualties on our side is the most sure way to achieve that goal.

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He has not one leg to stand on for political debating. He will be eaten alive by the people he will be debating with. He has no real constitution, he is a will o' the wisp president, and this whole situation could quite possibly be a last ditch attempt to gain some sort of credibility amongst American voters. To his chagrin, he seems to be the last one to know he got voted off the island.
He is the president. Do not underestimate the power that comes with that. He does not have to debate anything, he will send out Bolton, some generals and Huckabee Sanders to do the talking. If Bush 2 could sell the case for war in Iraq based on nothing Trump can do the same. People are pretty gullible and congress simply go along with it. It comes down to the Military Industrial Complex getting their way and they always get their way.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:38 AM
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Could Iran be smart enough to get the US into a war with them in Iraq. Iran's military is a lot bigger than the Taliban. I would suspect they would be 4 or 5 times the challenge. If its true that the grass gets trampled when elephants fight then I would guess Iraq and and Israel will be the grass in this war.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's actually quite straight forward.

If Europe would go along with Trump's strategy here, I am convinced that this dilemma would be solved in no time, and without a war. Iran is leveraging its last remaining economic ties to Europe to gain traction against Trump. They are intentionally trying to drive a wedge between Europe and the US, and Europe is playing right into it. By eliminating Iran's last important economic lifeline, and by taking the US's side militarily, Iran would be pressured to come back to the table.

So the bigger question here is why are people undermining Trump, and not pushing our European allies to work with Trump so that a better deal can be made with Iran? That's the perplexing part to me... Europe holds the keys to solving this problem peacefully. Of course I know the real answer as to why is politics -- in particular Europe's disdain for Trump. Nobody wants to make the guy look good.
If you think that Europe is going to get involved after the war in Iraq generated the largest migration since WW2 you are dreaming. Any European politician that would support our action against Iran would have hell to pay. How exactly would this be resolved peacefully by Europe when they don't even know the cause of our recent actions, even our own senate intel committee doesn't know what they are doing.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:01 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Reportedly there is tension developing between Trump and Bolton. Apparently Trump thinks Bolton is too eager to start a military conflict with Iran. So this Bolton character is even too belligerent for Trump. Then why doesn't he fire him?
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Could Iran be smart enough to get the US into a war with them in Iraq. Iran's military is a lot bigger than the Taliban. I would suspect they would be 4 or 5 times the challenge. If its true that the grass gets trampled when elephants fight then I would guess Iraq and and Israel will be the grass in this war.
My understanding is that a war with Iran would require congressional approval, this would be a separate action.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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Bolton does. And he is one of the few is still totally unapologetic about the Iraq war. And Bolton has Trump's ear.



No the only way for a POTUS to really boost favorability numbers is war. Trump did the song and dance with North Korea and it did not do much for his numbers. Its all about getting reelected. And war, especially one where we bomb the other country into the dark ages and suffer few casualties on our side is the most sure way to achieve that goal.


He is the president. Do not underestimate the power that comes with that. He does not have to debate anything, he will send out Bolton, some generals and Huckabee Sanders to do the talking. If Bush 2 could sell the case for war in Iraq based on nothing Trump can do the same. People are pretty gullible and congress simply go along with it. It comes down to the Military Industrial Complex getting their way and they always get their way.
No president gets voted out in the middle of a war.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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And another very crucial thing; Iraqis in general are well, pansies, wimps, among the worse ever, that is why they folded time after time after any combat engagement. They were laughing stocks during the Iran-Iraq War, last a few days against the US during the Gulf War, folded just as quick and dispersed the the Iraq War, and folded and ran when ISIS attacked. Only very few actually are even remotely close to having the personality and discipline to fight.

Iranians on the other hand, are pretty much opposite. It is a cultural thing, nothing can do about it. The Iranians are not going to tuck their tail and run. They are going to be stubborn, very stubborn, like the Vietnamese and Japanese were. Saddam found out the hard way when he attacked Iran, and ended up almost losing Iraq because of it.

And yet, they were pretty even matched for eight years in the 80's.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Pretty sure Iranians watched what happened to Iraq and will have nothing to do with being the next doormat. They "say" they will build 800 Karrars when it's probably more like 100. They'll need it because they won't have any air cover.

Not gonna happen.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Pretty sure Iranians watched what happened to Iraq and will have nothing to do with being the next doormat. They "say" they will build 800 Karrars when it's probably more like 100. They'll need it because they won't have any air cover.

Not gonna happen.
I have always believed that we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan because of its proximity to Iran.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Could Iran be smart enough to get the US into a war with them in Iraq. Iran's military is a lot bigger than the Taliban. I would suspect they would be 4 or 5 times the challenge. If its true that the grass gets trampled when elephants fight then I would guess Iraq and and Israel will be the grass in this war.
Taliban? Although Taliban have been gaining strength under Trump, they still number only 60 000 and are armed mostly with AK-47s and RPGs (light infantry weapons).

Iran has 500 000+ active trained military and another 350 000 in reserves, and they have tanks, artillery, missiles etc heavy equipment the Taliban don't have.

That is 16 times more troops, and far better trained and equipped.

Absolutely no comparison whatsoever.
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