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Old 05-08-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You clearly didn't READ the part about using it ti get a warrant to spy on Trump people.
I clearly did. That's not at odds with anything I posted.

Legally authorized surveillance is NOT spying. It's investigating and it happens all over the country every day.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That part is under dispute, there was a thread yesterday stating CIA spying was he trigger. You say it was the Steele dossier, FBI day it was Popadopulus loose lips to a diplomat, Director Ray stayed yesterday he has no evidence of “spying”.

All this is as clear as mud, no one has put together a time line of ALL parts to determine how they line up. And apparently no one wants Congress to find out either since The Executive is blocking witnesses that could clear it up some.
Wray said, he has not seen any evidence "personally". Wray is not running the investigation. Barr said he was looking into it personally. Wray would never see anything Barr, Horowitz, or Huber has. Wray didn't recuse himself. Barr recused Wray himself.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I clearly did. That's not at odds with anything I posted.

Legally authorized surveillance is NOT spying. It's investigating and it happens all over the country every day.
There is nothing "legal" about violating the 4th amendment, of over 30,000 Americans, by spying on them without warrants.




https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-illegal-searc


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rth-amendment/


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05...ans-for-years/


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-u-s-citizens/


https://www.intellihub.com/rand-paul...nt-violations/


https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...ourt-response/
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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I clearly did. That's not at odds with anything I posted.

Legally authorized surveillance is NOT spying.
Yes, it is.
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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I clearly did. That's not at odds with anything I posted.

Legally authorized surveillance is NOT spying. It's investigating and it happens all over the country every day.
It's not legally authorized if the evidence used was fabricated.
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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Legally authorized surveillance is NOT spying.
Ummmm.


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spy

/spī/
verb
gerund or present participle: spying
  1. work for a government or other organization by secretly collecting information about enemies or competitors.
    "he agreed to spy for the West"
    • observe (someone) furtively.
      "the couple were spied on by reporters"
      synonymsbserve furtively, keep under surveillance, watch, keep a watch on, keep an eye on, keep under observation, follow, shadow, trail; More
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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I’m willing to believe now that there was NEVER any legitimate suspicion within the intelligence communities that Trump colluded with Russia. So far we have yet to see anything legitimate that caused them to spy on the campaign and ultimately open the special council investigation. This was a plot from the beginning
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Kavalec’s notes do not appear to have been provided to the House Intelligence Committee during its Russia probe, according to former Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.). "They tried to hide a lot of documents from us during our investigation, and it usually turns out there’s a reason for it," Nunes told me. Senate and House Judiciary investigators told me they did not know about them, even though they investigated Steele’s behavior in 2017-18.
Isn't that known as....obstruction of justice?
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Old 05-09-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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More proof of the plot to get Trump. The most damning report yet.


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...air-trump-dirt

Steele's stunning pre-FISA confession: Informant needed to air Trump dirt before election

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec’s written account of her Oct. 11, 2016, meeting with FBI informant Christopher Steele shows the Hillary Clinton campaign-funded British intelligence operative admitted that his research was political and facing an Election Day deadline.


And that confession occurred 10 days before the FBI used Steele’s now-discredited dossier to justify securing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and the campaign’s ties to Russia.

Steele’s client “is keen to see this information come to light prior to November 8,” the date of the 2016 election...
Fistly Steele is not American and will provide intelligence to any paying customer, as that is what his company Orbis does.

Orbis Business Intelligence | Leading Corporate Intelligence and Investigative Consultancy

Secondly the Russia investigation wasn't launched because of Carter Page, it was launched following a tip off from Alexander Downer, Australia's High Commissioner to the United Kingdom regarding George Papadopoulos and there were also concerns raised by a number of western intelligence agencies who monitor certain Russian figures and who had noticed the Trump campaign staff contacting these figures.

Finally the Steele Dossier was not the sole reason for any FISA application and was only a small part of the evidence cited to get a warrant. Far more concernng was information passed by senior diplomatic figures and western intelligence allies.

Why Team Trump is wrong about Carter Page, the dossier and that secret warrant - NBC News

Trump's Russia inquiry 'started by Australian tip-off' - BBC News

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia | The Guardian
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Old 05-09-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Finally the Steele Dossier was not the sole reason for any FISA application and was only a small part of the evidence cited to get a warrant. Far more concernng was information passed by senior diplomatic figures and western intelligence allies.

Why Team Trump is wrong about Carter Page, the dossier and that secret warrant - NBC News
Trump's Russia inquiry 'started by Australian tip-off' - BBC News
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia | The Guardian
Wow, you are really behind on this story. All that has been debunked. The IG Report is due out in a couple of weeks and it's all about the FISA warrants. Trump will declassify everything which is why Demwits and their media masters are panicking.

Obama administration spying started long before Trump was the nominee and included other Repub candidates. You might want to watch this so you can keep up. Since your news is censored you will be unfamiliar with most of the people Papadopoulos mentions. You could always buy his book if you want more details.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NBTb0eZMLI&t=3s
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