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Old 05-11-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by RunD1987 View Post
Been saying for years and the wife agrees.

Yes need to improve the background checks

Outside of that we need more funding in the Education system for mental health and social services

A National Department of Mental Health and Addiction

Universal Mental Health Care
Back ground checks are a JOKE. It doesn't prevent straw purchases and so long as a felon can just put together the parts of a firearm why would they even bother going through the process?

Right now it would take me a bunch of money and at least a ten day wait to legally purchase a firearm. I can stroll right down to the ol gun store here, buy the parts without even a DL and put it together in less than one hour.

So, which would/does a felon choose?


Like I said, a big fat joke. By the way, we shouldn't have people running around our Country that are labeled as dangerous to own one. They should be locked up if they can't own a firearm.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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Back ground checks are a JOKE. It doesn't prevent straw purchases and so long as a felon can just put together the parts of a firearm why would they even bother going through the process?

Right now it would take me a bunch of money and at least a ten day wait to legally purchase a firearm. I can stroll right down to the ol gun store here, buy the parts without even a DL and put it together in less than one hour.

So, which would/does a felon choose?


Like I said, a big fat joke. By the way, we shouldn't have people running around our Country that are labeled as dangerous to own one. They should be locked up if they can't own a firearm.
Your statement is completely false! You could NOT buy all the parts and assemble it in an hour. The frame is serial stamped and requires a background check.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Actually it's far far less than that! Even to be shot at all is .0001%!
Yep,

They just need to stop with all the gimmicky ideas that won't fly with the Constitution. Libs know it yet they try and dance on the edges with garbage laws like magazine limits, background checks, waiting periods, "safe storage" and other snake oil that only costs money to those that will never commit such an atrocity. They know courts don't have time to overturn this crap so they rely on these useless measures passing and taking a long time to overturn. But, in the meantime they can claim they "Did something." Even if something is more useless than if they did nothing.

They don't work. History is proof. They are a bunch of hand wringing maybe, might, could, should, perhaps with nothing measurable.


In the mean time we still have wide open school campuses yet a casino has better security than some prisons.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:19 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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We had another home invasion by multiple attackers near me recently, and in a "nice neighborhood". They had no means to defend themselves.
The gun control advocates like that state of affairs as reducing "income disparities" between the rich and the poor.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Your statement is completely false! You could NOT buy all the parts and assemble it in an hour. The frame is serial stamped and requires a background check.
Let me be more clear. I can buy 80% lowers and all the other parts and yes I can put one together in less than one hour. We have build parties all the time here and I know they do it all over the Country. My point is that even if they try and make things illegal there are always ways around the process they've forced into place.

Gun control simply doesn't work and only really stupid felons quit attempting to get a firearm based on thse silly laws.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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Let me be more clear. I can buy 80% lowers and all the other parts and yes I can put one together in less than one hour. We have build parties all the time here and I know they do it all over the Country. My point is that even if they try and make things illegal there are always ways around the process they've forced into place.

Gun control simply doesn't work and only really stupid felons quit attempting to get a firearm based on thse silly laws.
Does that include finishing the 80?


It doesn't matter actually because with the right tools a person could manufacture a fully automatic gun from hunks of metal.


Not to mention that PRISONS, as monitored and secure as they are still find zip guns!


If they cannot stop weapons and murder in prison, how in the heck are they gonna stop it outside of one?
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Does that include finishing the 80?


It doesn't matter actually because with the right tools a person could manufacture a fully automatic gun from hunks of metal.


Not to mention that PRISONS, as monitored and secure as they are still find zip guns!


If they cannot stop weapons and murder in prison, how in the heck are they gonna stop it outside of one?
Exactly

They sell kits that include a cheap router now. You bolt on the template and simply change out router bits for depth to finish the receiver. Very easy to do.
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Old 05-11-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: MS
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Been saying for years and the wife agrees.

Yes need to improve the background checks


Outside of that we need more funding in the Education system for mental health and social services

A National Department of Mental Health and Addiction

Universal Mental Health Care
How? Universal background checks? That isn't even close to working without gun registration and that's not happening.


More government departments? We already have more than the Constitution allows for and none of yours would be Constitutional.
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Old 05-11-2019, 12:52 PM
 
Location: MS
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Ah, the School Shooter As Victim of Bullying Theory. Let's see how that plays out....


Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were not the poor little bullied kids they were initially made out to be.

Think school shooters are usually bullied and unpopular?

And about the latest shooting in Colorado....



Suspected Colorado STEM shooter was a bully, made jokes about school shootings, students say

School shooters don't fit a single profile They're not all outcases, they're not all mentally ill. They're not all on some kind of medication. They're not all rich,poor, or middle class. They're not all from broken homes. They don't all "disrespect" their parents or hate God, America and apple pie. They are all white, Baptist, Islamic, black, bi, straight or gay, Republican, Democrat, sports fans or D&D nerds.

They're not all anything.

That's what I have been trying to say. You folks who think there is one answer to this horrific problem are just wrong. It's not all guns or mental health issues or hatred or bullying or anything.
What if they are just psychopaths? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...hopath/524502/
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Old 05-11-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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To turn the question back to you, what if they are ALL psychopaths? Since not all psychopaths kill anyone and certainly they aren't all mass shooters, what can we do then?

For the record, I don't think they are all psychopaths. Psychopathy is not easy to identify and some are not comfortable diagnosing teens as psychopathic (at least until Eris Harris) because teenagers typically have a lot of the same traits as psychopaths just by being teenagers. Besides, my whole theory is that school shooters do not all fit the same profile, so I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that every school shooters is a psychopath.

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“In almost all high-end mass killings, the perpetrator’s thinking evolves,” said Kevin Cameron, executive director of the Canadian Center for Threat Assessment and Trauma Response.

“They have a passing thought. They think about it more, they fantasize, they slowly build a justification. They prepare, and then when the right set of circumstances comes along, it unleashes the rage.”

This evolution proceeds rationally and logically, at least in the murderer’s mind. The unthinkable becomes thinkable, then inevitable.
Are Mass Murderers Insane?

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