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We are arguing that unlimited donations (particularly anonymous ones) have handed the mega-rich an outsized influence on the electoral process and that the playing field should be leveled.
In all honesty do YOU vote by what you see or hear in campaign ads, ESPECIALLY KNOWING how biased they are?
"Freedom of speech was never meant to include freedom to donate unlimited amounts of money anonymously to impact political outcomes"
Show us quotes from the Founding Father's supporting your "opinion".
The court rewrote the 1st to include freedom of EXPRESSION.
I can burn the American flag to "express" how I "feel" about something. Is there a LIMIT on how may flags I can burn?
In order to "express" who I want as a politician in office I "express" it by contributing to their campaign. The government CANNOT put a limit on how much I want to "express" X to win.
The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Not with We the Corporations ...
Supreme Court Justices & their decisions are not infallible. Citizens United v. Fed. Election Comm'n is already on some the various 'Worst SCOTUS decisions' lists. Corporations are a legal fiction; their "personhood" began with a "deliberate, brazen forgery":
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In the 1880s, the Southern Pacific Railroad Company launched a remarkable series of what its lawyers called “test cases” — more than 60 in all — to win expansive rights for corporations under the 14th Amendment. Two of those cases made it to the Supreme Court. In the first, the railroad’s lawyer, Roscoe Conkling, who had been one of the drafters of the 14th Amendment, told the justices the provision was written to protect not just the freed slaves but also business corporations. He even produced a musty old journal that he said was a never-published record of the drafting committee’s deliberations. The journal was real, but historians who looked into the case years later quickly realized that the amendment had never been revised in the way Conkling claimed. As Howard Jay Graham, one of the leading historians on the 14th Amendment, concluded, Conkling had engaged in “a deliberate, brazen forgery” to win new rights for corporations.
...Once the Supreme Court extended 14th Amendment rights of equal protection and due process to corporations, businesses flooded the courts with constitutional challenges. The ensuing years would be known as the Lochner era, when the court broadly read the Constitution to protect business. Meanwhile, in cases like Plessy v. Ferguson, the justices refused to read the 14th Amendment to provide any meaningful protections for minorities. By 1912, the court had heard only 28 cases on the 14th Amendment rights of African Americans — and an astonishing 312 cases on the 14th Amendment rights of corporations.
I am not a fan of corporations being treated as a person, especially when there name is Disney because they are infamous for the congressional lobbying for stricter and longer copyrights.
What is the difference between a business, say like Disney, and the AFL-CIO?
P.S. The AFL-CIO does NOT poll its members BEFORE giving campaign donation money.
The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Not with We the Corporations ...
Supreme Court Justices & their decisions are not infallible. Citizens United v. Fed. Election Comm'n is already on some the various 'Worst SCOTUS decisions' lists. Corporations are a legal fiction; their "personhood" began with a "deliberate, brazen forgery":
Corps are OWNED by people. What is your opinion on unions and other Associations?
The Constitution does NOT say "we the union" or "we the association", etc.
The "author" asked, is just another college teacher who is entitled to his OPINION just like everybody else. he has only 6 YEARS experience, '95 to '01, WORKING in law, and NEVER ON HIS OWN, the rest he has been a "teacher".
Obama TAUGHT Constitutional LAW but, was OVERTURNED by the courts MORE then any other president, some by a 9-0 vote, so JUST because you teach does NOT mean you are more knowledgeable then someone else.
Last edited by Quick Enough; 05-11-2019 at 06:04 AM..
The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Not with We the Corporations ...
Supreme Court Justices & their decisions are not infallible. Citizens United v. Fed. Election Comm'n is already on some the various 'Worst SCOTUS decisions' lists. Corporations are a legal fiction; their "personhood" began with a "deliberate, brazen forgery":
Corporations did not bring about the lawsuit. The reason for the law and lawsuit was not corporations. Politicians have done a great job spinning this into this but the law was trying to restrict the people.
I asked earlier (as I often ask questions no one answers), why don't politicians simply remove the tax deduction? They want the money involved. They just want as much control over the money as possible.
"Comparing the influence of a local billboard to the influential impact of a $93 million donation is the logical fallacy of false equivalence"
Who says ONLY LOCALS will read them? It depends on WHERE they are.
How much do you think it would cost to put a bill board in every state that I 95 runs through for say a month before the election?
Average daily traffic is over 72,000 vehicles, with peak daily average over 300,000 vehicles. Who knows how many voters are in the vehicles.
I think the "impact" is a hell of a lot MORE then you think!
Please calm down. All I'm saying is that I think it's perpetuating a fallacious argument, i.e. one of false equivalency, to assert:
Putting up 100s of billboards is no different from an individual's $93 million campaign donation even if it's funneled through various PACs & Super PACs.
Please calm down. All I'm saying is that I think it's perpetuating a fallacious argument, i.e. one of false equivalency, to assert:
Putting up 100s of billboards is no different from an individual's $93 million campaign donation even if it's funneled through various PACs & Super PACs.
What is the difference between a business, say like Disney, and the AFL-CIO?
P.S. The AFL-CIO does NOT poll its members BEFORE giving campaign donation money.
Corporate lobbyists need to be booted out of Washington DC.
Corps are OWNED by people. What is your opinion on unions and other Associations?
The Constitution does NOT say "we the union" or "we the association", etc.
The "author" asked, is just another college teacher who is entitled to his OPINION just like everybody else.
Obama TAUGHT Constitutional LAW but, was OVERTURNED by the courts MORE then any other president, some by a 9-0 vote, so JUST because you teach does NOT mean you are more knowledgeable then someone else.
The US Constitution does not say it excludes a lot of things? That's a baffling statement so leaving it alone.
The original concept of Corporate "entities" was to avoid personal liability. Corporations are legal fictions.
In corporate law, personhood means the corporation is its own independent "entity", with rights & duties wholly separate from those of its members.
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