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Old 05-09-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Rep. Adam Schiff introduced a constitutional amendment on Wednesday aimed at overturning The Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United ruling. The amendment would allow Congress and the states to put limits on campaign contributions. It would also allow states to enact laws creating public financing of campaigns.

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"The Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United overturned decades of legal precedent and has enabled billions in dark money to pour into our elections," Schiff said in a statement.

"Amending the Constitution is an extraordinary step, but it is the only way to safeguard our democratic process against the threat of unrestrained and anonymous spending by wealthy individuals and corporations," he added. "This amendment will restore power to everyday citizens."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...itizens-united
Who would be against this?
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:40 AM
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I agree with limiting corporate sponsorship but I do not agree with public financing either, we pay enough taxes without it being contributed to the millionaires who want to run for office. Also based on the bias demonstrated in the last Presidential Election can we really trust the party leaderships to be even handed on how funding is distributed?
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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schiff for brains ain't gonna get an amendment passed that contravenes the 1st Amendment.
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Who would be against this?
Politics in any Western-style democracy always breaks down to a struggle between those with resources --sometimes inherited, sometimes earned, and often merely managed via the non-profit sector, and those with "the numbers" -- often stoked with watery sentiment, appeals to largely-imaginary class warfare and/or economic ignorance.

The OP is just one more foot-soldier in this battle -- as am I; she has a right to her opinion, and by constitutional means, to re-write the rulebook in favor of her allies; but so do the rest of us. And the Founding Fathers designed our Constitution to prevent "rule by the people' from devolving into "rule by the mob". We have a 225+-year history of the gradual enlargement of the electorate and sharing of power, but recent shifts, particularly via the encouragement of illegal immigration by some of the folks over there on the Left side of the aisle, have put that process in jeopardy.

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Old 05-09-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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Politics in any Western-style democracy always breaks down to a struggle between those with resources --sometimes inherited, sometimes earned, and often merely managed via the non-profit sector, and those with "the numbers" -- often stoked with watery sentiment, appeals to largely-imaginary class warfare and/or economic ignorance.

The OP is just one more foot-soldier in this battle -- as am I; she has a right to her opinion, and by constitutional means, to re-write the rulebook in favor of her allies; but so do the rest of us. And the Founding Fathers designed our Constitution to prevent "rule by the people' from devolving into "rule by the mob". We have a 225+-year history of the gradual enlargement of the electorate and sharing of power, but recent shifts, particularly via the encouragement of illegal immigration by some of the folks over there on the Left side of the aisle, have put that process in jeopardy.
My "allies" are the American people, whose voices are drown out by the influx of big money in politics. Which is what CU is all about--giving deep pocket corporations and organizations an outsized influence in our government. I would think they would be your allies, too.
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Citizens United never made sense to me. They are allowed personhood for political means, but in no other way is considered or treated as a person by the law.


That is some Red pill / Blue pill Matrix stuff right there.


It needs to go, it serves no political party, voters, or the public. It only serves a corporation's interest which is amazing because again I thought a corporation was not a person, but it is politically. Damn Matrix again.
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Politics in any Western-style democracy always breaks down to a struggle between those with resources --sometimes inherited, sometimes earned, and often merely managed via the non-profit sector, and those with "the numbers" -- often stoked with watery sentiment, appeals to largely-imaginary class warfare and/or economic ignorance.

The OP is just one more foot-soldier in this battle -- as am I; she has a right to her opinion, and by constitutional means, to re-write the rulebook in favor of her allies; but so do the rest of us. And the Founding Fathers designed our Constitution to prevent "rule by the people' from devolving into "rule by the mob". We have a 225+-year history of the gradual enlargement of the electorate and sharing of power, but recent shifts, particularly via the encouragement of illegal immigration by some of the folks over there on the Left side of the aisle, have put that process in jeopardy.
Currently we have the opposite, at least on the federal level.

Rule by oligarchs who buy the laws they want.

Would love to see a narrower version of this amendment without the pulbic financing end.
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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The premise that a State-created entity designed to allow groups of individuals to take commercial risks without exposing themselves to personal liability is somehow a "person" with Constitutional rights is beyond absurd. This is an Amendment that everyone except the kleptocratic class should embrace.

Of course, I said that with Net Neutrality too...
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: New York
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I would love to see corporations kept from buying elections. My issue is that this is ShiFty Schiff trying to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the wh.


That's like trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle.


Insanity
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Old 05-09-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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Rep. Adam Schiff introduced a constitutional amendment on Wednesday aimed at overturning The Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United ruling. The amendment would allow Congress and the states to put limits on campaign contributions. It would also allow states to enact laws creating public financing of campaigns.

Who would be against this?
Everyone with any interest in human freedom. The point of the legislation is to increase the power of the mainstream mass media, which already exerts an influence on our political landscape that is 10 times greater than everything else combined, and which (it should be pointed out) consists of corporations that are accorded the same First Amendment rights as natural persons. Did you ever think of that? Your argument against CU implies that Congress can shut down your precious media/propaganda outlets.

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