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Old 05-10-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
Baloney. Tax revenue as a share of GDP is far from record highs.

Almost every year in the last 100 years has tax revenue gone up simply because of inflation and GDP growth. And the GDP growth is nothing special these days. Far from the 5-6% annually that Trump promised us and approaching 2% this year after failing to hit 3% last year even in the midst of a huge oil boom, but awful productivity growth.
Who the F cares? The government has a record amount of money to spend-why do we care what the relationship is to GDP? It SHOULD be going down-the nation's GDP needs to be expanding-and when it grows faster than tax revenue it leaves more money in the hands of individuals and businesses to survive. Tying GDP to a % of GDP at a time of a growing economy is a cheap trick to justify extorting more money from the public.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Corp tax collections are WAY down.

This does not mean we should not make spending cuts.
So? Overall revenue is up-but our growth in spending exceeds even these record revenues. Yes, it means we should make spending cuts.

And the tariffs are a tax-I assume all those that are whining about revenue are embracing them.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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5 out of 8 Obama years had 1.2 trillion PLUS deficits...including fy16..... did you complain then???
Anything negative about Obama, the left claimed it was Bush's fault.

I don't hear them saying any difficulties Trump has are related to Obama.

Typical BS
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:49 AM
 
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It's not the candidate, it's the voters.
You got that right. There are a lot of Trumps out there, usually they end up being talk show hosts or Mafia thugs. He is nothing new.

That a con-man like this could good elected, that's another story entirely.
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:52 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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So? Overall revenue is up-but our growth in spending exceeds even these record revenues. Yes, it means we should make spending cuts.

And the tariffs are a tax-I assume all those that are whining about revenue are embracing them.
The corp reduction was a flat out gift to the elites that should not have been done. Yes the stated rate should have come down, but it should have been accompanied by narrowing of deductions (See Amazon etc) IIRC the typical actual rate pre reduction was ~14%.

This does not mean there should not have been spending cuts.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The corp reduction was a flat out gift to the elites that should not have been done. Yes the stated rate should have come down, but it should have been accompanied by narrowing of deductions (See Amazon etc) IIRC the typical actual rate pre reduction was ~14%.

This does not mean there should not have been spending cuts.
That I agree with.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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Deficits don’t matter. It’s not real money.
Until democrats take over, right?
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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People want stuff and someone else to pay for it. Nothing new. Food stamps. Aircraft carriers with drones.
People want Medicare for all UNTIL you tell them the cost to them.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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One party has been worse the last few decades and that's Republicans. Gwb did it last time... Doubled the national debt before a recession and let Obama inherit the mess
This is a riot. GWB doubled it? Why don't you post the part about how Obama racked up more debt than all other presidents combined?
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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It was the 1st 4 years during and after recession, and then there was a dramatic drop until Trump took office.

Either way the "BUT OBAMA" argument does not explain why Trump brags about having the best economy ever while spending like a drunken sailor on borrowed money.

Clinton understood economy. There was a massive boom, and while unemployment was very low, we were still adding 450K jobs per month, and we had a trade surplus.
Clinton just got lucky with the dotcom era.
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