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He is but one of many economists and others who all have reached same conclusions.
Krugman is a biased idiot. He's been wrong so many times that only a dishonest rag like the NYT will keep him on the payroll. He's a shill for the very same establishment that backs Macron. And they are all falling like flies. David Cameron, Obama, Merkel, Hillary gone. And now Teresa May & Macron are next.
Krugman is a biased idiot. He's been wrong so many times that only a dishonest rag like the NYT will keep him on the payroll. He's a shill for the very same establishment that backs Macron. And they are all falling like flies. David Cameron, Obama, Merkel, Hillary gone. And now Teresa May & Macron are next.
Please. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
None of what you've said changes basic facts on the ground and or topic of this thread.
France like many other European countries and indeed large parts of the USA has a problem. Declining native populations due to low birth rates, aging and dying off "white" persons. In their place are coming immigrants (if they are coming at all), and others.
You also have large numbers of people living in French/European equals of "fly over states". The vast rural areas that are depopulating for above reasons and or also because of declines in manufacturing and other economic bases.
In short certain French are no different than some in Rust Belt states in mourning a rapidly vanishing way of life and are seeking someone, anyone who will restore that nostalgic past.
Far as this debate is concerned French government must get its fiscal house in order before outside forces do it for them; and this will include huge changes to various government social and other policies.
Krugman is a biased idiot. He's been wrong so many times that only a dishonest rag like the NYT will keep him on the payroll. He's a shill for the very same establishment that backs Macron. And they are all falling like flies. David Cameron, Obama, Merkel, Hillary gone. And now Teresa May & Macron are next.
Exactly. If he wants credibility, Bugsy needs to cite sources other than Krugman, The New Republic, and his liberal French friends.
Please. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day..
So you made a long BS post about things that have nothing to do with this topic or what I posted. The Yellow Jackets (not covered by the USA MSM) are making their point. Macron is an out of touch bought and paid for globalist who cares more about his place in the world than the French people.
Physician, heal thyself. If you do not know how dramatically unpopular Macron has become, and how entirely probable it is for any party to make headway in that environment, then you have no business lecturing anyone else.
What is more, OP is absolutely correct. I was in Paris recently, and whereas I do not intend to litigate this with my anecdotes, I will say that no Parisian could possibly be proud of what is going on there. The right is growing in Europe, and France could very well be next. We shall see.
Actually, if I may?, the poster you responded to was quite right.
Never going to happen. You might wish it (I suspect it's because you don't know much about real politics here, which is fine, I probably don't know much about yours either).
The reason is both complex and very simple : a clear sentiment of cultural superiority (laced with over-self-critizing), a very rich history and attachment to it and the enormous TRAUMA that people had to face after WWII (WE, as superior we thought we were, land of the free and human's rights declaration, blabla,, WE did or let that happen. Quite humiliating for a proud french, but then we're not hypocrites either.)
Now, I'm not saying that far right ideas will never be voted for, I'm just saying that because of all this very emotionnally charged past, NEVER will a Le Pen family member be elected. She can do whatever she wants to "kill the father", it won't happen.
Actually, if I may?, the poster you responded to was quite right.
Never going to happen. You might wish it (I suspect it's because you don't know much about real politics here, which is fine, I probably don't know much about yours either).
The reason is both complex and very simple : a clear sentiment of cultural superiority (laced with over-self-critizing), a very rich history and attachment to it and the enormous TRAUMA that people had to face after WWII (WE, as superior we thought we were, land of the free and human's rights declaration, blabla,, WE did or let that happen. Quite humiliating for a proud french, but then we're not hypocrites either.)
Now, I'm not saying that far right ideas will never be voted for, I'm just saying that because of all this very emotionnally charged past, NEVER will a Le Pen family member be elected. She can do whatever she wants to "kill the father", it won't happen.
That leaves us a good twenty years
Well, people said Trump's election was "never going to happen." The fact is you don't know what will happen.
Unrelated - I'll be in France next month for the first time to celebrate the 75th anniversary of D-Day. Looking forward to it.
The reason is both complex and very simple : a clear sentiment of cultural superiority
I'm not an expert by any means, but I would think that this very sentiment would be the thing that would bring Le Pen, or someone like her, into power. If the French think that their culture is superior, it follows that they would think that other people's cultures are inferior. And if we're comparing the historic culture of France with that of the Muslim invaders that have been flooding the country in the past few decades, it's an absolute no-brainer as to which culture is superior and which one belongs in the dustbin of history.
So why, then, don't the French seem to realize that their superior culture is gradually being undermined by a virulently inferior one that they've allowed to grow and fester in their midst?
If POTUS were elected in a similar fashion, DT would most certainly not have won.
Sadly there is only one go around for US presidential races; who ever gets majority (or actually most electoral college votes) wins, end of story.
By your analogy either Le Pen pere ou fille would have won their presidential bid, and *AGAIN* that never happens. Yes, they may come close but are never able to seal the deal as more rational and calm heads prevail in second round of voting.
I'm not an expert by any means, but I would think that this very sentiment would be the thing that would bring Le Pen, or someone like her, into power. If the French think that their culture is superior, it follows that they would think that other people's cultures are inferior. And if we're comparing the historic culture of France with that of the Muslim invaders that have been flooding the country in the past few decades, it's an absolute no-brainer as to which culture is superior and which one belongs in the dustbin of history.
So why, then, don't the French seem to realize that their superior culture is gradually being undermined by a virulently inferior one that they've allowed to grow and fester in their midst?
You are misunderstanding what poster meant by "superior French culture".
The French on a whole totally believe in "Liberté, l'Égalité et la Fraternité" as it were; though clearly in France to this day some are more "equal" than others in French society.
Take gay marriage, the church and deeply religious Catholic (among other faiths) persons marched, and otherwise railed against it becoming law in France. Never the less it happened and that was an end to things. People must move on and bare that fact best they can.
France society has never completely reconciled itself over invasion and occupation by Nazi Germany, and the deportations along with mass murders that followed.
Prior to the Vel' d'Hiv Roundup as rumors (and or actual details) spread/leaked out the French including many Jews simply didn't believe it was going to happen. This was *FRANCE* not Nazi Germany or whatever, and the French simply didn't do such things. Well they were wrong... Further shame came out post WWII as full details of what the Vichy government had gotten up to during the war.
Construct so often seen in United States of "Italian-American", or "Latino-American" just doesn't exist in France. One is French, period. The idea of persons (immigrants or otherwise) maintaining some sort of public persona based on otherness, and or worse attempting to force others to bend, and government to promote such exceptions is just beyond the pale.
In short the concept of politicians and or religious bigots who put them into office seeking to control a nation, and forcing those who do not subscribe to their tenets had better get with the program or else is alien to most French society.
Again in recent memory France had has the example of Marshal Petain/Vichy Government who pretty much did this, and that is not the road many want to go down again.
Actually, if I may?, the poster you responded to was quite right.
Never going to happen. You might wish it (I suspect it's because you don't know much about real politics here, which is fine, I probably don't know much about yours either).
The reason is both complex and very simple : a clear sentiment of cultural superiority (laced with over-self-critizing), a very rich history and attachment to it and the enormous TRAUMA that people had to face after WWII (WE, as superior we thought we were, land of the free and human's rights declaration, blabla,, WE did or let that happen. Quite humiliating for a proud french, but then we're not hypocrites either.)
Now, I'm not saying that far right ideas will never be voted for, I'm just saying that because of all this very emotionnally charged past, NEVER will a Le Pen family member be elected. She can do whatever she wants to "kill the father", it won't happen.
That leaves us a good twenty years
Exactly what they said about Trump, Brexit, etc. Paradigms are shifting in the world.
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Originally Posted by BugsyPal
Know more about France and the French than you would believe, so spare one the lecture. Am in nearly weekly contact with French friends have known since college and make it over there at least once a year. Have also spent more time studying France and the French than care to recall from the ancien regime through the Fifth Republic
For various reasons nearly every president of France for past several years has proven "unpopular" for various reasons. Hollande didn't even bother to run for a second term.
Marcon may not win re-election; but his replacement would surely be someone like Jean-Luc Mélenchon than any Le Pen.
France like Italy, Germany, GB and most other European nations at the moment has very deep internal economic and social problems. It just so happens that since the Revolution French citizens take to the street at drop of a hat believing it will get them what they want. Sometimes it works, others not so much.
French love their socialist way of living, long as someone else is paying. France has run deficits since the 1970's with most of that spending largely due to government social programs. Unfortunately means for papering over those deficits has become more difficult for French government especially once France joined the EU.
Mr. Paul Krugman sums things up nicely regarding French labor market:
"French workers are roughly as productive as US workers", but that the French have allegedly a lower workforce participation rate and "when they work, they work fewer hours". According to Krugman, the difference is due to the French making "different choices about retirement and leisure."
Getting shot of Macron won't make much of a difference as the same structural issues will confront whoever replaces. Electing a platform of right wing lunatics won't change things either no more than France's invasion by Nazi Germany and Vichy (or otherwise) collaboration in the carting off and subsequent murder of > 70k persons (mostly Jews but others) in Nazi horror camps.
You are claiming that you know a great deal about France, but you are citing France's love of socialism, apparently unaware that the right in France vastly different than the right in America, and whereas a commitment to capitalism was once a part of the National Front platform, Le Penn's National Rally is very different in that respect.
Whatever. You are convinced that you know something here. We shall see.
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The Yellow Jackets (not covered by the USA MSM) are making their point. Macron is an out of touch bought and paid for globalist who cares more about his place in the world than the French people.
