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Old 05-12-2019, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm all for the use and development of renewable, earth-friendly energy sources. But I don't support letting the grandmas of the world freeze in the winter because they can't afford the power bill. Until renewables become financially viable, the cheaper alternatives will better serve populations.
Rather melodramatic response, who staid we are banning fossil fuels.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Coal plants shutting down does not imply coal demand is down.

Obama made it more expensive to produce, and it took out some companies.

If you need evidence of coal not going away, understand that Soros has invested in coal. They are just taking out some of the competition.
Coal mines shutting down is more than taking out competition. Soros is a POS that has no issues with people dying to build his wealth so that doesn't impress me any.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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As hard as they may try, they will never get rid of coal.

The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To

[i][indent][color="navy"]With Germany as inspiration, the United Nations and World Bank poured billions into renewables like wind, solar, and hydro in developing nations like Kenya.
33% of power in Germany is renewables, so I'd say they are making pretty good progress.

Why do you oppose it?
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Just in the United States alone we have so much fossil fuel reserves that we can be powered for centuries. Oil and Natural Gas are so abundant here that we should consider it like a renewable. We are also finding more all the time, and developing new extraction technology to get it easily and cheaply. The U.S. is now the largest producer of oil in the world and a net exporter of energy. We sell liquified natural gas to Germany and other countries, and coal to China.

Germany, and much of Europe are largely dependent on Russian natural gas and oil. France went nuke to lower their dependency on foreign energy.

Wind and solar is unreliable, inefficient and too costly to be anything but a false, feel good measure for Liberal/Progressives.

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Old 05-12-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Elon Musk was going to fix Puerto Rico's power problem with solar power. It was announced to great fanfare, MSM adoration, and leftist chest thumping in 2017.

It was a failure. System, what they installed of it, remains broken. Nobody wants to talk about it now.

Puerto Rico is still burning fossil fuel for power.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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As hard as they may try, they will never get rid of coal.

The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To

With Germany as inspiration, the United Nations and World Bank poured billions into renewables like wind, solar, and hydro in developing nations like Kenya.

But then, last year, Germany was forced to acknowledge that it had to delay its phase-out of coal, and would not meet its 2020 greenhouse gas reduction commitments. It announced plans to bulldoze an ancient church and forest in order to get at the coal underneath it.
End of the article...

Germans, who will have spent $580 billion on renewables and related infrastructure by 2025, express great pride in the Energiewende. “It’s our gift to the world,†a renewables advocate told The Times.

Tragically, many Germans appear to have believed that the billions they spent on renewables would redeem them. “Germans would then at last feel that they have gone from being world-destroyers in the 20th century to world-saviors in the 21st,†noted a reporter.

Many Germans will, like Der Spiegel, claim the renewables transition was merely “botched,†but it wasn't. The transition to renewables was doomed because modern industrial people, no matter how Romantic they are, do not want to return to pre-modern life.

The reason renewables can’t power modern civilization is because they were never meant to. One interesting question is why anybody ever thought they could.
The sad part of this is they are influencing Kenya, who needs ANY energy source, to bypass coal for this renewable resource boondoggle, which will be more costly in the end - and will take much longer to implement.

Another Paris Accord failure. I guess as long as you claim to give an effort (except China and India)... the results do not matter.

Someone is making a bunch of money with all of the billions being poured into this "industry".


In addition to renewable energy, I think one of the liberal goals is a MARKED reduction in global populations. Thus, renewable energy could support a population about 1/10th that of current populations.


One needs to examine liberal policy closely and understand that there are subtle pushes to diminish the global population-


opposing GMOs
opposing vaccinations
global warming- reducing CO2 which is increasing food supply
opposition to families
support of gay agendas
support of genocidal maniacs like Mao, Lenin, Che, Stalin, and Pol Pot
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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Just in the United States alone we have so much fossil fuel reserves that we can be powered for centuries. Oil and Natural Gas is so abundant here that we should consider it like a renewable. We are also finding more all the time, and developing new extraction technology to get it easily and cheaply. The U.S. is now the largest producer of oil in the world and a net exporter of energy. We sell liquified natural gas to Germany and other countries, and coal to China.

Germany, and much of Europe are largely dependent on Russian natural gas and oil. France went nuke to lower their dependency on foreign energy.

Wind and solar is unreliable, inefficient and too costly to be anything but a false, feel good measure for Liberal/Progressives.
Wind and solar is a step forward. Just the same as the Wright Brothers were a step to getting to the moon. Back then people would have been as negative about getting to the moon as you are now.

For those like yourself to argue this you have to create a false argument. No one is banning oil and gas. No one. The argument is working forward to get there. It matters none if we still have a 100 years worth. In the future something else will be required and you have to start long before it's absolutely needed to get there.

I won't see a complete replacement of oil and gas (I might coal). That's OK as long as we are working forward for those who come after me.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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What does "never meant to" even mean?

What a weird thread topic.

Also there are more renewable energy technologies than wind and solar, and none alone are "the" solution.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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Just in the United States alone we have so much fossil fuel reserves that we can be powered for centuries. Oil and Natural Gas is so abundant here that we should consider it like a renewable. We are also finding more all the time, and developing new extraction technology to get it easily and cheaply. The U.S. is now the largest producer of oil in the world and a net exporter of energy. We sell liquified natural gas to Germany and other countries, and coal to China.

Germany, and much of Europe are largely dependent on Russian natural gas and oil. France went nuke to lower their dependency on foreign energy.

Wind and solar is unreliable, inefficient and too costly to be anything but a false, feel good measure for Liberal/Progressives.
There is no such thing as considering a finite resource "like a renewable".
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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There is no such thing as considering a finite resource "like a renewable".
With all we have, and finding more every day, yes it could be considered "LIKE a renewable". I didn't say it WAS a renewable.
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