Are you a Citizen, or are you a Subject? (legal, revolution, high school)

[BentBow]

"The term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)




"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244


SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425




Or are you a person, born in one of the states in the union of states?
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)

[Frank DeForrest]

We are cows on the states dairy farm

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

We are cows on the states dairy farm

No doubt! That is what the MASTERS think, forgetting the cows are armed and say "NO" often.

[Loveshiscountry]

I'm too busy bowing down to King George to read your entire post.

[zortation]

You're not a subject because you choose your HoS.

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by BentBow

"The term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)




"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244


SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425




Or are you a person, born in one of the states in the union of states?
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)

Those are the definitions of other people.


"Citizen" and "Subject" mean far, far different things to different people, with the word "citizen" having positive connotations we associate with liberty, while subject has the opposite.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by zortation

You're not a subject because you choose your HoS.

"The term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject"

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

Those are the definitions of other people.


"Citizen" and "Subject" mean far, far different things to different people, with the word "citizen" having positive connotations we associate with liberty, while subject has the opposite.

For legal purposes, the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in England; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State.
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)


Other people thinking for you and threats of violence if you don't comply.
FREEDOM by coercion.

[Mr.Retired]

I'd rather be a subject than a socialist any day of the week.................

[Hyperthetic]

Rulerism is the opposite of contractism.

I've always been a contracturist since my freedom from High School.

Rulerists have no cognition to it. Better put, they are contemptuous to contracts.