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Old 05-15-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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I have found a common thread that runs through almost all prohibitionists: They can't do math.

That isn't a slur, it is simply an observation that comes from years of reading their posts.
Can't do it - and worse yet - they can't understand it.

One guy here said today that Trump will certainly win because if 42% of all possible voters (his approval rating) cast a ballot for him, that would be a majority (given that all voters don't vote).

Nowhere did he mention what happens to the 53% who disapprove! They must have stayed home!

 
Old 05-15-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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There is factual evidence that LACK OF DRUGS triggers and sustains massive amounts or mental illness.

This is no joke.
There's no convincing them. They want to continue to lock people up for cannabis use and will find any reason they can to justify that policy, even if the same reasoning wouldn't be applied to any other substance. Why? It probably has something to do with the fact that cannabis was a big part of the 1960s counterculture.

Many conservatives view the 1960s counterculture as the movement that began the destruction of Christian values in America and they associate marijuana with that.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There is factual evidence that LACK OF DRUGS triggers and sustains massive amounts or mental illness.

This is no joke.
That’s the biggest bunch of BS I have heard in all of these drug topics.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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That’s the biggest bunch of BS I have heard in all of these drug topics.
And yet it is true.

"Symptoms of schizophrenia usually start between ages 16 and 30. In rare cases, children have schizophrenia too."
(no drugs involved)

"Bipolar I Disorder— defined by manic episodes that last at least 7 days, or by manic symptoms that are so severe that the person needs immediate hospital care. "

"Social anxiety disorder is not uncommon; research suggests that about 7 percent of Americans are affected. Without treatment, social anxiety disorder can last for many years or a lifetime and prevent a person from reaching his or her full potential."

These and dozens of other conditions can be lessened by DRUGS. In fact, many people self-medicate to help themselves with various conditions...and it works.

The old mental hospitals were generally full up all the time.....and plenty more people were still in society. They all "went crazy" or "were crazy" without it because caused by Drugs. As Science advanced, many of them (not all) were HELPED by drugs.

What part of that don't you understand?

Perhaps you think there is some concrete different between opium put into a pill and sold by a Pharma company...and opium taken OTC as it was in the old days?

Drugs, herbs, medicines...all the same thing. Compounds. Chemicals. Certain molecules.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 03:33 PM
 
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I have found a common thread that runs through almost all prohibitionists: They can't do math.

That isn't a slur, it is simply an observation that comes from years of reading their posts.
Thanks - you saved me a post ...
 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Remember, they did some pot studies in the UK where drivers were actually driving safer....so while 400 people instead of 100 might go off their rocker each year, probably more will avoid car accidents and possible worse fates.

Bottom line....the study and the thread means nothing....as there is no substance which is not dangerous in excess. Drink too much cool clear water and you will die.
I knew a guy in high school who swore that he was a safer driver when he was drunk. He’s dead now.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yep and a 100% to 300% increase in the odds of something happening that has a teeny tiny chance of happening to begin with is still a tiny amount of actual occurrences.
So why even risk that 100% to 300% increase? Can taxpayers afford to fund the additional public assistance and Medicaid bills? Psychotics can't get and keep jobs. They need to be financially supported by the taxpayers.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:32 PM
 
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It would be important to note either

"Frequent use of high potency" or else the opposite "little change was noticed in those who partake recreationally of normal strength".
The marijuana being sold now ISN'T normal strength. Again, I'll refer you to the NPR article to which I've already posted a link.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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And yet it is true.

"Symptoms of schizophrenia usually start between ages 16 and 30. In rare cases, children have schizophrenia too."
(no drugs involved)

"Bipolar I Disorder— defined by manic episodes that last at least 7 days, or by manic symptoms that are so severe that the person needs immediate hospital care. "

"Social anxiety disorder is not uncommon; research suggests that about 7 percent of Americans are affected. Without treatment, social anxiety disorder can last for many years or a lifetime and prevent a person from reaching his or her full potential."

These and dozens of other conditions can be lessened by DRUGS. In fact, many people self-medicate to help themselves with various conditions...and it works.

The old mental hospitals were generally full up all the time.....and plenty more people were still in society. They all "went crazy" or "were crazy" without it because caused by Drugs. As Science advanced, many of them (not all) were HELPED by drugs.

What part of that don't you understand?

Perhaps you think there is some concrete different between opium put into a pill and sold by a Pharma company...and opium taken OTC as it was in the old days?

Drugs, herbs, medicines...all the same thing. Compounds. Chemicals. Certain molecules.
No. There is no debate that drugs are linked to worsening and onset of mental illness. None. This is decades old well-established fact. From NIH: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

PS: face eater boy is pleading insanity. He’s the one who had a psychotic break after smoking pot and killed and ate two people.
 
Old 05-15-2019, 04:47 PM
 
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So why even risk that 100% to 300% increase? Can taxpayers afford to fund the additional public assistance and Medicaid bills? Psychotics can't get and keep jobs. They need to be financially supported by the taxpayers.
So do morbidly obese people - but "conservatives" almost died on the spot when someone suggested curtailing 64 OZ single servings.

How can you not see the hypocrisy in that?

Society is not a factory to provide cannon fodder and copy machine and car salespeople. If someone wants to sit on their stoop all day and think, that is their prerogative.

What you should be concerned with is the just announced falling birth rate! Turns out young people don't want to bring children into the new Right Wing USA....no health care, low wages, lifetime of debt, no pensions, etc.

Not a surprise.

I know two extremely productive dudes (probably 2 to 4X as productive...in earning power and accomplishments...as most) who smoke every day. Maybe they would be LESS productive if they did not???

You have no way of knowing these things. You simply are a prohibitionist who thinks he knows better than others.

Where is your outrage at the cost of 13,000 ER visits a year for Tylenol?
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