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Israel has a strong economy, plenty of soldiers, Mossad, the bomb, ...
So why are we sending them billions?
U.S. will hit our debt ceiling again in a couple months. Seems like we should be coming up with a way to deal with that instead sending money to a nation that can support itself.
It's rare to see so much nonsense packed into one short post.
The only effect that Hamas putting down their weapons would have is peace. On the other hand, if Israel threw every last bullet it had into the sea there would be a second Holocaust.
"annihilating people of the occupied areas"??? How can people be "annihilated" if their population has increased by over 300%?!?
You "support the people of Israel but not the ZIONISTS"? Do you even know what Zionism means? It's the "movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews, from the left to the right, are self-defined Zionists.
So how can you claim to support Israel and the Israeli people and yet oppose Zionism?
Yes, I know and understand. I reject your attempt to degrade me.
As long as Hamas controls Gaza it is IMPOSSIBLE for any agreement toward peace between Israel and the Palestinian Authority to survive. Hamas, at will, will shower Israeli cities and towns with missiles. As it does now. Starting wars cannot coexist with negotiating or maintaining an agreement towards peace.
Hamas openly and regularly declares its goal of destroying Israel. No matter how many more generations are condemned to war. Israel's mere existence is a causus belli. Do you not know that? The end of the terror armies Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad IS a prerequisite to peace. I don't understand how you can believe otherwise.
Not sure I can explain why I believe what I do any better than I have, so maybe consider my comments about this and tell me what part of my explanation doesn't make sense to you.
What did enforcing the U.N.'s injunction on Iraq to disarm have to do with Israel? Whether or not Saddam possessed WMD's he boasted that he did. What would happen to you if you boasted of having a bomb in an airport? Hint, they would not have the burden of proving that you're a boaster.
Of course the entire invasion of Iraq involves another host of issues that can debated to the end of days, but I think anyone who knows the history and relationship between Israel and some of these other ME countries the United States has engaged militarily can easily consider those engagements something of a "win" for Israel too, contrary to the notion the US has never sent "an Army to assist Israel?"
The US has done much across the board "to assist Israel" including military engagement, either directly or indirectly.
In these ways as well, the United States has helped Israel to become what Israel is today. Right or wrong, the facts simply point to the fact that Israel has never really been independent in terms of her pursuit of self-determination. That's all...
I am a little embarrassed to admit I didn't know until reading about this that the United States has laws banning the boycott of Israel. How, when and why did that happen? Doesn't even sound constitutional. Do we have similar laws preventing the boycott of any other country?
One gets to the negotiating table the way Anwar Sadat did in November 1977; by inviting yourself to it and being serious.
As we all know, there have been many attempts by many parties to simply "set the table" for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. No question about the invitation(s). The issue has been one of accepting them, without the stubborn resistance hidden behind every damn excuse to shamelessly decline while also making the prospect of peace all the more distant with ongoing aggressive actions that certainly don't help matters any. To say the least...
Of course the entire invasion of Iraq involves another host of issues that can debated to the end of days, but I think anyone who knows the history and relationship between Israel and some of these other ME countries the United States has engaged militarily can easily consider those engagements something of a "win" for Israel too, contrary to the notion the US has never sent "an Army to assist Israel?"
The US has done much across the board "to assist Israel" including military engagement, either directly or indirectly.
In these ways as well, the United States has helped Israel to become what Israel is today. Right or wrong, the facts simply point to the fact that Israel has never really been independent in terms of her pursuit of self-determination. That's all...
Invading Iraq only makes sense in terms of supporting Israel.
It was a moneymaker for Halliburton, Blackwater (or whatever it is called now), etc., for sure.
I am a little embarrassed to admit I didn't know until reading about this that the United States has laws banning the boycott of Israel. How, when and why did that happen? Doesn't even sound constitutional. Do we have similar laws preventing the boycott of any other country?
It isn't constitutional.
Which is why free speech/1st Amendment rights are slowly crumbling away...
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I am a little embarrassed to admit I didn't know until reading about this that the United States has laws banning the boycott of Israel. How, when and why did that happen? Doesn't even sound constitutional. Do we have similar laws preventing the boycott of any other country?
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Originally Posted by Lycanmaster
It isn't constitutional.
Which is why free speech/1st Amendment rights are slowly crumbling away...
I don't know if you people are feigning astonishment (at something that does not exist) or are truly ignorant of the facts.
See if you can understand this. It's not rocket science. ANYBODY can boycott Israel in their personal life to their heart's content. That's their personal business. The laws of various states, to which you are apparently referring, ban only someone who represents the STATE and is engaged in conducting the STATE's business. Any corporation is free to boycott Israel. It is total legal. The state will simply not abet that boycott by giving business to that corporation. In other words, the STATE will not boycott or abet a boycott of Israel. No individual or corporate entity is banned from boycotting Israel. Period. Is that too complicated to comprehend?
So, "LearnMe", no need to be embarrassed...…...Well, maybe there is. All you had to do was some simple research. But I suspect that the idea that, as you put it, "the United States has laws banning the boycott of Israel" fell right into your pre-conceived notion that Israel and/or Jews control legislatures throughout the US. It was natural for you to simply accept its veracity. Sad.
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How can people be "annihilated" if their population has increased by over 300%?!?