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Old 05-15-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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If the South wants to make abortion completely illegal, I don't care. It will be their states that fill up with poverty stricken mothers and babies. The women with money will simply go to a place where it's legal. The babies that result will be ones with no means, no health care, likely drug-addicted and without fathers. This will affect the schools and availability of low-income services for that state.

Red states that want these laws can do what they want, but they should not make blue states pay for it. The West and the Northeast have no interest in doing this to their states and they should not have to pay for the states that make these choices. Laws need to be passed the prevent these costs from being federalized.

The South is filled with taker states as it is. They should not be able to pass these costs on to the rest of the country. The medical costs alone are going to be extreme.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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If the South wants to make abortion completely illegal, I don't care. It will be their states that fill up with poverty stricken mothers and babies. The women with money will simply go to a place where it's legal. The babies that result will be ones with no means, no health care, likely drug-addicted and without fathers. This will affect the schools and availability of low-income services for that state.

Red states that want these laws can do what they want, but they should not make blue states pay for it. The West and the Northeast have no interest in doing this to their states and they should not have to pay for the states that make these choices. Laws need to be passed the prevent these costs from being federalized.

The South is filled with taker states as it is. They should not be able to pass these costs on to the rest of the country. The medical costs alone are going to be extreme.
Agreed. Time to return to federalism, as intended by the Founders and return welfare and social services, along with housing and education completely to the states.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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Agreed. Time to return to federalism, as intended by the Founders and return welfare and social services, along with housing and education completely to the states.
Sounds good. And states should be able to increase residency requirements before newcomers are accepted into another state's programs. A woman with six kids from Alabama should not be able to be immediately accepted into the social programs of a blue state if the blue state has established five year residency requirements for them to qualify.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:02 AM
 
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Very good points here to consider.

While considering these, it might be worthwhile to consider the American Legislative Exchange Council's (ALEC's) influence in creating 'template bills' that allow bills like the ones proposed in Alabama can be 'replicated' by 'template legislation' to the various States under the influence:

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Since the 2010 election, in which the GOP won power in a majority of statehouses, progressives have often lamented the influence of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which creates template bills that allow legislators to easily replicate right-wing laws across states. It’s been a driving force, for example, in the spread of “right-to-work” legislation as the GOP’s strength in the states continues to grow.

For too long, we’ve been very focused at the federal level. And we’re seeing what happens when you put all your eggs in that basket and suddenly the basket breaks.

The State Innovation Exchange (SiX) was founded in 2014 as a progressive answer to ALEC. It works with state legislators in a variety of ways to advance legislation, educate lawmakers and build a progressive power base in the states. Last year, staff members met with groups of legislators in about 20 states, to help them establish their policy priorities and understand the issues better. SiX’s priorities include climate change, predatory lending, criminal justice reform, education, election reform and worker wages and benefits.
How the Left’s Long March Back Will Begin in the States

Progressives’ answer to ALEC is helping to build power from the ground up.

https://billmoyers.com/story/lefts-l...-begin-states/
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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Sounds good. And states should be able to increase residency requirements before newcomers are accepted into another state's programs. A woman with six kids from Alabama should not be able to be immediately accepted into the social programs of a blue state if the blue state has established five year residency requirements for them to qualify.
I would hope you are against illegal immigrants getting benefits too. I think conservatives would agree with your position here.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Alabama already isn't taking care of their poorest. It's one of the poorest states and 25% of their children live below the poverty line.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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The medical costs of those babies born with severe birth defects will run into hundreds of millions! Keep in mind that the medical technology, that can keep babies born with severe birth defects (e.g. ventilators, artificial nutrition, expensive medications), did not exist before Roe v Wade.

Our country will be spending billions of keeping babies born with severe birth defects from dying outside of the womb! Children with fetal alcohol syndrome will skyrocket as well as severe genetic abnormalities due to pregnancies from incest.

The burden to parents and families will be incalculable.

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One study by the CDC revealed that overall hospital costs for individuals suffering from a congenital heart defect is about $1.4 billion in a single year.
https://www.oshmanlaw.com/news-cente...birth-defects/
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:59 AM
 
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I am firmly on board with letting Alabama pay for the cost of their poorest and unwanted children. Which - they are already NOT doing.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:01 AM
 
Location: MS
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If the South wants to make abortion completely illegal, I don't care. It will be their states that fill up with poverty stricken mothers and babies. The women with money will simply go to a place where it's legal. The babies that result will be ones with no means, no health care, likely drug-addicted and without fathers. This will affect the schools and availability of low-income services for that state.

Red states that want these laws can do what they want, but they should not make blue states pay for it. The West and the Northeast have no interest in doing this to their states and they should not have to pay for the states that make these choices. Laws need to be passed the prevent these costs from being federalized.

The South is filled with taker states as it is. They should not be able to pass these costs on to the rest of the country. The medical costs alone are going to be extreme.
Have the federal .gov follow the Constitution and you will have jurisdictional taxation. Alabama's extra medical costs will fall on the people of Alabama. The high speed rail debacle in California will be paid for by California only. That is how it should be.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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