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Old 05-16-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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So you get extra points if your father left you and your mother depends on welfare?
You are screwed if you live in a happy family and your hardworking parents care about your education?

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The College Board plans to assign an adversity score to every student who takes the SAT to try to capture their social and economic background, jumping into the debate raging over race and class in college admissions.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sat-to-...nd-11557999000
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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Notice how bettafish ignores legacy admissions, affirmative action for white people.
No actually I opened a thread talking about legacy admissions a few months ago.
I said Harvard accepts too many legacy students, but many people here argue they deserve it.

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-legacies.html
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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According to liberals, such an allowance would be flatly racist.

Whenever anyone proposes "Voter ID" laws, requiring people to get ID cards proving they are eligible to vote, they immediately scream that black people would have more difficulty getting such cards because they live farther away from the office that issues them, or can't pay a fee (if any) as easily as whites, etc. etc. And therefore, "Voter ID" discriminates against black people on the basis of RACE.

By this "logic", the same liberals would have to conclude that the SAT test will become reverse-biased against whites, for the same reason... because a greater percentage of black people would live in adverse circumstances.

And therefore, the SAT would be illegally discriminating against whites on the basis of RACE.

I'm sure that any minute now, the liberals will come piling in to scream against this clearly-racist proposal for the SAT.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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its not particular hard to get into state schools or community colleges. I don't see how giving people extra chance to get in based on their situations helps them actually pass and do the work. Do we then have their Professors give them higher grades because of this. This "racism of low expectations" already exists in lower education. None of this is helpful to face the real world. Where your Boss only cares about results and not that you had a hard childhood.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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its not particular hard to get into state schools or community colleges. I don't see how giving people extra chance to get in based on their situations helps them actually pass and do the work. Do we then have their Professors give them higher grades because of this. This "racism of low expectations" already exists in lower education. None of this is helpful to face the real world. Where your Boss only cares about results and not that you had a hard childhood.
Lol there are many state schools that are VERY tough to get into, especially specific programs at those schools like Engineering etc.

Setting that aside, yes it creates problems and this was noted in a STEM discussion we had here a year or so ago where (non-asian) minorities dropped from STEM majors at a vastly higher % than others.

That prompted my core argument that you cannot fix a lack of or substandard education by throwing under prepared kids into the "deep end" so to speak at the college level.

In fact, I feel it can be a disservice to some of them by doing so.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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i managed to miss this before starting a similar one, which i asked to be deleted.

doesn't seem like this should be any of SAT's business. and there is no way for them to vet the truthfulness of what someone wants to put down re: social/economic background. for instance, how many possible lie-awathas would they have to weed out?

i think they're stepping in it..
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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IOW, more dummies will be admitted lol.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Sad. There once was a time the SATs meant something and were not just a participation trophy.

I wonder how many things you have to self-identify as to get the biggest "score".
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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They said it's based on 15 factors; they don't tell us what they are, but they're likely based on demographic data (another reason to fill out the census). Honestly, this stuff has ALWAYS been looked at by admissions (in both positive and negative ways) because folks right about this stuff in essays and recommendations. I get what they're trying to do, but not sure this is the way to do it.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Notice how bettafish ignores legacy admissions, affirmative action for white people.
I'm not an Ivy League grad. However, why would you NOT favor admissions to the children of those people who donated to your school?


Money doesn't grow on trees.
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