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Let me tell ya'll how it works in these certain parts of North Florida.
First, these here beach home owners are nearly all Trump supporters. They must have their permits. The gub'mint must stay out of their business as they all know bettah.
Then a storm comes and wipes out the beach.
These obnoxious Trump supporters and anti-gub'mint conservatives suddenly become rabid socialist. "I done paid my taxes, and me 'and my misses are law abiding God-fearing people and we done demand that the County git the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild our wonderful beeches."
Huckabee is no different from these hypocrites. Every one is a taker except them.
I had to laugh when I read that article. I know folks just like them.
"First, these here beach home owners are nearly all Trump supporters."
And, actually, Texas does the exact same thing California does regarding public use of the different parts of the beach:
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"Walking along the beach in Texas has been a privilege since Texas was a Republic, and the Texas Land Commissioner protects this public right for all Texans by enforcing the Texas Open Beaches Act.
Under the Texas Open Beaches Act the public has the free and unrestricted right to access Texas beaches, which are located on what is commonly referred to as the "wet beach," from the water to the line of mean high tide. The dry sandy area that extends from the "wet beach” to the natural line of vegetation is usually privately owned but may be subject to the public beach easement."
The public is allowed to use the wet sand beach up to the National Tidal Datum Epoch high tide line, at which point the beach is privately owned property. Oceanfront property owners may VOLUNTARILY grant a public use easement on their property, but they don't have to do so.
A lot of people posting in this thread have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. They're just whining because someone they perceive to have more than they do can't be forced to share with all at their own cost and expense. Land is titled for a reason. Anyone unhappy with how a state/county/town/etc. has titled privately owned property needs to take it up with the appropriate government agency. They're the ones who allowed huge sections of beach to be carved out for private ownership and retained only the wet sand beach portion of the coastline for public use (in some states, which I've already listed, private ownership extends all the way to the NTDE LOW tide line).
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If there is anyone that less exemplifies the teachings of Jesus - I don't know who it is.
Adolf Hitler? Yes he is in the bottom half but the above is a bit of hyperbole.
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Originally Posted by jojajn
One would think a professed follower of Christ would at least not take away what belongs to all people! Huckabee is a pig!
Typical elite of either party.
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Originally Posted by Vector1
I am certainly not going to click on Mother Jones for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which they come from practically a communist viewpoint.
However, for the sake of argument, lets assume the story has some merit and your thread title is close to the article.
Many people from both ideological perspectives have been having these "fights" whether it be in Florida or the beaches in Malibu, CA.
I understand both perspectives in that most beaches should be open to the public, but private property rights must also be considered.
Many places do not allow private ownership on the beach, certainly not all the way down to the waters edge at low tide.
Yet if you are paying millions of your hard earned money to live beach/oceanfront, you also do not want strangers in your backyard.
Normally compromises work best, but some of these cases have taken many years and a lot of money to resolve.
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Short version. He is an insider who got certain officials to sell him a million dollars of beach for 400 dollars AFTER he had built a big house. Various levels of government then fight over whether they can have public access laws invalidating the sale.
My take: Typical elites of either party. One law for thee and one for me.
Well................................ Beach property rights are different depending on the state. In South Carolina, you can go on any beach you want, as long as you got there via public access.
I don't let everyone use my farms- to do so would invite disaster. However, I allow all kids to fish my ponds (I just re-stock every year), hunt mushrooms, or wander the forests, as it provides kids with recreation that gets them outdoors. I let kids use my lodge for "sleep overs" as long as there is a parent chaperone and they keep the gun room locked. God created the land for everyone to enjoy- as long as they treat the area with respect and don't trash it.
When you allow the locals to use your property, they look out for you and the land. It is win-win. However, one must exclude poachers and teen/young adult beer bashes.
I would imagine Huckabee probably had some folks raising hell and leaving trash about. I wouldn't like that either.
Short version. He is an insider who got certain officials to sell him a million dollars of beach for 400 dollars AFTER he had built a big house. Various levels of government then fight over whether they can have public access laws invalidating the sale.
My take: Typical elites of either party. One law for thee and one for me.
You can't sell anyone property they already own. And all a Quiet Title does is remove, for example, construction liens and other adverse claims on property which one already owns. The ownership of property does NOT change via Quiet Title.
You can't sell anyone property they already own. And all a Quiet Title does is remove, for example, construction liens and other adverse claims on property which one already owns. The ownership of property does NOT change via Quiet Title.
From the article
(He bought the house in 2008)
>In 2012, Huckabee hired a lawyer and asked a judge to grant him ownership of the land stretching from the dune at the foot of his house down to the mean high-water line—essentially the wet sand and the Gulf of Mexico itself. No one appears to have protested the request, and the judge agreed, giving Huckabee the beach for a mere $400. Nearly two dozen of his neighbors have also quietly annexed the beach while escaping any additional taxes.<
"First, these here beach home owners are nearly all Trump supporters."
If you are going to make a claim, BACK IT UP!
You obviously don't live in North Florida. The North Florida area, especially the area in the panhandle where Huckabee resides, is among the most conservative areas in Florida. Remember Trump's comment on what you can get away with in the panhandle of Florida. If not, google it. I would go through the voter registration rolls, but I don't have the time, and if I had the time, the answer would be quite obvious which side of the political aisle most these folks sit on.
From the article
(He bought the house in 2008)
>In 2012, Huckabee hired a lawyer and asked a judge to grant him ownership of the land stretching from the dune at the foot of his house down to the mean high-water line—essentially the wet sand and the Gulf of Mexico itself. No one appears to have protested the request, and the judge agreed, giving Huckabee the beach for a mere $400. Nearly two dozen of his neighbors have also quietly annexed the beach while escaping any additional taxes.<
I don't trust the Mother Jones version of events. Again, a Quiet Title is filed on land one already owns to, for example, remove construction liens (sometimes required by municipalities to ensure building code is followed and neighbors' private property and local publicly owned property aren't adversely affected during the construction process, etc.) and other adverse claims on property one already owns.
For example, I can't file for a Quiet Title on the Kennedy compound in Massachusetts. Nor can I file a Quiet Title on local, county, or state parks unless I actually had a deed to the land that the public entities are ignoring for whatever reason. If just taking any property you want but you don't own were possible by Quiet Title, it would be a free for all and everyone would be stealing everyone else's deeded property. Don't be stupid.
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From the article
(He bought the house in 2008)
>In 2012, Huckabee hired a lawyer and asked a judge to grant him ownership of the land stretching from the dune at the foot of his house down to the mean high-water line—essentially the wet sand and the Gulf of Mexico itself. No one appears to have protested the request, and the judge agreed, giving Huckabee the beach for a mere $400. Nearly two dozen of his neighbors have also quietly annexed the beach while escaping any additional taxes.<
Stop pretending Mother Jones is a reputable source... land CAN NOT be annexed by quiet title.
From the article
(He bought the house in 2008)
>In 2012, Huckabee hired a lawyer and asked a judge to grant him ownership of the land stretching from the dune at the foot of his house down to the mean high-water line—essentially the wet sand and the Gulf of Mexico itself. No one appears to have protested the request, and the judge agreed, giving Huckabee the beach for a mere $400. Nearly two dozen of his neighbors have also quietly annexed the beach while escaping any additional taxes.<
Well those so called facts, are incorrect. When one buys a beach house in that county or in fact any county in the panhandle, your property extends to the high water mark on the beach. There is an exception to this, when the beach is renourished, the ownership goes to what is called the ECL, Erosion Control Line. You have to look at a map to see exactly how far up this line extends. Some counties have arbitrary established 30' from the hight water mark. This is considered public property and cannot be controlled by the property owner owner or the HOA North of this line. Most counties in the Panhandle have declared their beach public property, Walton County has not. There is a fight in the legislature concerning this now as it does affect tourism. I believe it is over 200 property owners in Walton County are restricting access. Please note, they CAN ONLY restrict access to their deeded property, not South of the ECL line.
The idea Huckabee is doing something high handed is just showing a lack of knowledge on the posters part. The claim above is equally ridiculous as the value of the beach is already reflected in the price of his house. If it was located off the beach, it probably would appraise for only half what it does now.
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