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Old 05-29-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Pregnancy does have costs, including health care and nutrition which the state should be paying for if it is forcing women to have children they don't want and cannot afford. What if the woman has no paid maternity leave or loses her job and ability to support herself due to the state?
They already do.... SNAP, Medicare, WIC during pregnancy. Every state has special rules for prenatal care when it comes to safety net programs, along with other programs. The same programs exist after the child’s birth in addition to welfare and child tax credits. There are adoption waiting lists for children of all races, the woman is not being forced to keep the child.

By the way, I support a woman’s right to choose up until the child can live outside the womb (about 24 weeks). I just get sick and tired of people acting like the only options are abortion or raising the child.
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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They already do.... SNAP, Medicare, WIC during pregnancy. Every state has special rules for prenatal care when it comes to safety net programs, along with other programs. The same programs exist after the child’s birth in addition to welfare and child tax credits. There are adoption waiting lists for children of all races, the woman is not being forced to keep the child.

By the way, I support a woman’s right to choose up until the child can live outside the womb (about 24 weeks). I just get sick and tired of people acting like the only options are abortion or raising the child.
Threatening women with jail or forcing them to have the kid is rathr fascist in and of itself--what happens if a woman loses her job or needs time off due to the forced pregnancy? The state will take care of her (and her dependent)?
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Old 05-29-2019, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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But that baby will become a tax deduction assuredly unless the mother kills it which I am sure the OP would applaud.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Pregnancy does have costs, including health care and nutrition which the state should be paying for if it is forcing women to have children they don't want and cannot afford. What if the woman has no paid maternity leave or loses her job and ability to support herself due to the state?
Poor pregnant women already receiving that kind of benefits (SNAP/WIC, prenatal care, etc.) .

FMLA (Family Medial Leave Act), a federal law, applies to pregnant women. They can take up to 12 weeks of FMLA for birth of a child and prenatal care related to their pregnancy.


Not to mention it's illegal to discriminate against pregnant women if you are an employer.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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Poor pregnant women already receiving that kind of benefits (SNAP/WIC, prenatal care, etc.) .

FMLA (Family Medial Leave Act), a federal law, applies to pregnant women. They can take up to 12 weeks of FMLA for birth of a child and prenatal care related to their pregnancy.


Not to mention it's illegal to discriminate against pregnant women if you are an employer.

FMLA is unpaid leave, and only applies to employees of companies of a certain size. The US is the only civilized nation that has NO paid maternal (or paternal) leave for new parents. Begs the question of how civilized we are.


If a woman who is pregnant does not need WIC, Medicaid, etc. to support her pregnancy, should she then be able to claim the dependent tax deduction? After, pregnancy comes with a substantial cost, extra food, clothing, medical care, supplies, transportation costs (to go to all those extra doctor's appointments & tests) ...
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:25 PM
 
Location: London
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No. The unborn child does not require housing, utilities, or food. The idea behind being able to get a tax credit or a tax deduction for a child is that it costs money for their basic needs beyond what the parent or other responsible adult spends on themselves for basic needs.
Oh yes it does. Pregnant women need to eat more (and more nutritious food) to feed the baby. Prenatal care to maintain the house for the fetus also costs big bucks, especially for the uninsured. Pregnant women also need special clothing.

And as for utilities, ask pregnant women about how many times they need to use the washroom to pee or vomit. Actually don't ask, that'll get you slapped, but Google it and you get the idea.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That is certainly a Catch-22 for the bible belt states enacting strict anti-choice laws.

If the woman cannot get an abortion after a 'heartbeat', or a few more weeks, then it appears that GA and/or other states consider it a real live person.

Therefore, it would be a dependent and count towards collecting aid or welfare or tax deductions. Wonder how this would fare in a court of law?
Those bible belt states keep passing strict anti-abortion laws and they will soon learn where their slippery slope leads them!
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Cali
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FMLA is unpaid leave, and only applies to employees of companies of a certain size. The US is the only civilized nation that has NO paid maternal (or paternal) leave for new parents. Begs the question of how civilized we are.


If a woman who is pregnant does not need WIC, Medicaid, etc. to support her pregnancy, should she then be able to claim the dependent tax deduction? After, pregnancy comes with a substantial cost, extra food, clothing, medical care, supplies, transportation costs (to go to all those extra doctor's appointments & tests) ...
FMLA also applies for an employee who takes care of their ill loved ones (i.e. an elderly parent).


should we have paid leave for people who take care of their elderly parents?
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Yes taxes are about money spent raising children, which is not the case until the child is born.

It doesn't mean there is no life in the womb... it just means there are no extra funds being spent which are considered as tax exempt.
Shouldn't a pregnant mother take special care of herself including a healthy diet, vitamins, and pre-natal care? An expecting mother also needs to start buying baby supplies, etc.. All of that is not free.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Poor pregnant women already receiving that kind of benefits (SNAP/WIC, prenatal care, etc.) .

FMLA (Family Medial Leave Act), a federal law, applies to pregnant women. They can take up to 12 weeks of FMLA for birth of a child and prenatal care related to their pregnancy.

Not to mention it's illegal to discriminate against pregnant women if you are an employer.
Only companies subject to federal law offer these policies. If the company has under 50 employees, they do not have to offer family leave, or any other mandated federal programs. There are an awful lot of small companies and businesses in the state enacting these laws.
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